Thanks oggyflute, yep you are right, I just don't think he is comitted enough, there are so many young men who are talented out there, but only a few really make it to the top,I guess one has to really want it bad enough., not sure if he does or not,he has to be prepared to put the hard slogger in eh? he has been plagued with injuries since his return from England, he has bad back problems, so bowling is not very good for that., ah well least it keeps him out of trouble.