Originally posted by Kfamr
I think the main thing that bothers me with collars such as these, is that people DEPEND on them (Not saying all people do, but a majority do) - and I don't like that. I'd much rather someone spend time with their dog, training it on their own, instead of depending on man-made products. (This includes bark collars and so on)

That's just my opinion and not one that I need to be bashed/bickered at for.
I so agree I'd also rather train my dog based on trust/respect than fear/pain.