Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[Lady's Human]

The Mosque in NYC probably won't happen at that location, as the Local Unions are against it. If you can't get the Ironworkers, Carpenters, and IBEW to lift a finger to build it, it's not going to happen.

That having been said, I am deeply disturbed by the opposition to this. If they can't build it because of their religion, which religion is the next target?

Are you going to ban churches in downtown OKC? After all, the perps there were 'Christian' terrorists.

[pomtzu]

So build another mosque if you must - just not in this sensitive location. An ecumenical gathering place would be more welcomed, than any mosque, church, temple, synagogue, or whatever.

I think we need reminding that people of all faiths were greatly impacted by 911.

Exactly, and that's why I think an ecumenical gathering place would be welcomed by all.

[pomtzu]

Are you going to ban churches in downtown OKC? After all, the perps there were 'Christian' terrorists.

And that was a 2-man show, not a huge conspiracy, years in the making, by a deranged leader of terrorists not even living in this country. I don't even equate the two. And is it known that McVey and Nichols were Christian? OKC was a tragedy of course, but can't compare in the enormity of the Twin Towers. Okay - everyone can slam me for that one if you will - but no disrespect was intended. Even the death of one person by any terrorist, is totally unacceptable and deplorable.
I am not singling out any religion, but personally feel that a neutral facility of some sort, would be appropriate and acceptable at the site where they want this mosque built. Simple as that..............

[Grace]

And is it known that McVey and Nichols were Christian?

About McVeigh - from an interview with TIME magazine, back in 2003 -

Time: Are you religious?

McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.

Time: Do you believe in God?

McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.

source

[Lady's Human]

Thanks for including the link, Grace.

People would be truly amazed at the number of "christian" terror and extremist groups which are alive and well within the borders of the United Sates.

[Grace]

Got this in the mail last evening. It might answer some questions - and raise more.

http://factcheck.org/2010/08/questio...d-zero-mosque/

[Medusa]

Why does anything have to be built there at all? Perhaps a memorial to the victims and let it go at that. Any time religion enters into the equation, there are going to be disagreements.

[Karen]

Why does anything have to be built there at all? Perhaps a memorial to the victims and let it go at that. Any time religion enters into the equation, there are going to be disagreements.

Because it is valuable real estate in New York. It isn't AT Ground Zero, anyway, it's the sight of a big former Burlington Coat Factory building. NYC real estate is too valuable to sit empty ... something will be built there at some point.

[Medusa]

Because it is valuable real estate in New York. It isn't AT Ground Zero, anyway, it's the sight of a big former Burlington Coat Factory building. NYC real estate is too valuable to sit empty ... something will be built there at some point.

Yes, I know that it isn't AT GZ, Karen. My point is that if it's causing this much controversy, then perhaps the best solution would be to build nothing at all, valuable real estate or not.

[Lady's Human]

Yes, I know that it isn't AT GZ, Karen. My point is that if it's causing this much controversy, then perhaps the best solution would be to build nothing at all, valuable real estate or not.

That won't happen. Real estate in NYC is tremendously expensive, and the city gets large sums of money based on the value of the real estate. SOMETHING will be built there.

[pomtzu]

About McVeigh - from an interview with TIME magazine, back in 2003 -




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Touche. But I don't believe McVey was reciting The Lord's Prayer or singing How Great Thou Art, when the Federal Building came down.

[Grace]

So because he wasn't singing or dancing that makes him less bad?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, since it's ok for the mosque to be built there, the St Nicholas church should be allowed to rebuild. It was in that area and destroyed on 9/11. They keep getting stonewalled when trying to get permits to rebuild.

[pomtzu]

So because he wasn't singing or dancing that makes him less bad?

Of course not, and that wasn't the point I was trying to make. He wasn't using his religion as justification for what he did, and I'm pretty certain that religion was the furthest thing from his mind when he planned and executed his dreadful act. The 9/11 terrorists and accomplices took joy in flaunting their religion and their praises to Allah as all of this transpired.

But all of what I have stated, is only my view of the issues as they stand at present. What becomes of the real estate in dispute, is something that remains to be seen. I am only one tiny drop in the sea of humanity, and my feelings and opinions will have absolutely no influence on the final decision. It's not my desire to impose my views on anyone - some people will agree with me, and some won't. They are only my opinions - no more and no less.

But I will never forget the attack and the hours that followed - friends of mine who had friends and loved ones that were scheduled to be in the vicinity of the Twin Towers that day. I'll never forget the absolute terror they went thru when they were unable to contact these people, and fearing that they were casualties as well. They lived a hell on earth that day, until they learned that their people were safe. To build a mosque so close to GZ, is to them, rubbing salt in their wounds, even tho they never actually lost anyone, and I have to say that I agree.

[blue]

Thank you Blue, I'm forever in your debt. I'm so impressed with your skillful handling of forum messages, must have taken years for you to master that.

Minutes at best to figure out that I needed to click the "Quote" button. Thank you for the compliment.

m I a bad a$$ soldier ???? Or is that just another of your assumptions ???
(Assuming seems to be your forte)

My assumptions are educated guesses from your posts. You havent corrected me in any way shape or form so Im going to run with the assumptions Ive made.

(Allow me to correct your spelling.....THAN, not THEN. Haven't, not havent.)

Thank you, unlike the easily Butt Hurt I dont get offended when someone is nice enough to correct my horrible spelling and/or punctuation.

Who is US ???? I hope US doesn't include you Blue.....LOLOLOL.
I'm sure there are a great deal of posts that I have made to others that would fit that category. But you ??? Nawww...I'm not really into that sort of thing....sorry.

US, is short for The United States of America. You know the place, its where Rights mean something and are protected.

Disrespect ???? Where ??? Where have I disrespected you or yours ???
Show me.
All I have done is comment on your Bill of Rights.
What's wrong ???? Can't you handle criticism of your system ??? Do you really think your system is above that ??? I believe YOU think you are above that.
I have an opinion, I have the right to post my opinion, and if you don't like that, then tough luck for you. There's no disrespect for Americans.

Commenting on and insulting our system are two different things. I do think our system, as it was laid out at its inception, is above yours and you continue to prove my point about it.

I have no problem with your opinion, I disagree with it but still I like your posts.

Then I don't believe you have any sources. I know exactly what I have written in my posts, and furthermore, I have many many American friends both on this forum and off it.
I'm asking you again....."What is the source you have used to accuse me of not liking Americans ??"

You are, and continue to be, my source. Believe what you want about it.

Unless of course, you are a figment of my imagination, if thats the case you are correct I dont have a source.