A woman President

[sparks19]

You might be on to something there... LOL I mean, I stand in in front of a 6 ounce frozen piece of rubber, going 90mph... On purpose... For FUN.

LOL I will never understand THAT completely... but it does something for me hahahaha.

Also, just to mention the "you can't be right 100% of the time." well DUH.... he's married YOu know what they say.... "in a marriage there is one person who is always right... and the other is a husband" LOL

HEHE I'm just teasing

[Edwina's Secretary]

He got into office, didn't he?

Yes.....and no....

[Edwina's Secretary]

. Now she claims she was always opposed to the war. But her vote is on record...


It is actually a pretty smart move for you to make, speaking from an objective debate stance.

Are you suggesting Hilary has denied her pro-Iraq war vote? I think not. Tried to explain it, yes, but deny it...no.

When might you start exhibiting "objective debate stance"?

Again...not a fan of Hilary...just the truth...she never claimed to be a Jew, she never claimed to be a long-term New Yorker and she never claimed to have voted against the war.

You have put all those words in her mouth.....

Or are you practicing Sophist debate? ...you know...fallacious reasoning?

[lizbud]

LOL I will never understand THAT completely... but it does something for me hahahaha.


Did you always like the 3 stooges too?




Also, just to mention the "you can't be right 100% of the time." well DUH.... he's married YOu know what they say.... "in a marriage there is one person who is always right... and the other is a husband" LOL

I understand. I'll take it easy on the boy.

[cassiesmom]

Questions, I have questions...

Can Mrs. Clinton win? I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said, Anyone But Clinton

Can Barack Obama win? I'm not sure about him either, he has not been a senator very long, he doesn't have much of a track record yet. Do people outside of Illinois even know who this guy is?

Can it be said that it's good for America to have both a white female and a black male candidate in the Presidential primary? Even if neither of them end up being the president will we still have accomplished something? All the front running Republicans are white males.

And, finally - can it be said that the Democrats and the Republicans are not as far apart on the issues as they once were?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Can Barack Obama win? I'm not sure about him either, he has not been a senator very long, he doesn't have much of a track record yet. Do people outside of Illinois even know who this guy is?

I don't really count as "outside of Illinois" but I think Mr. Obama has had HUGE national press lately. Cover of TIME, Newsweek....heck...Fox Network is making up lies about him so he must be getting national attention. As for how long he has been a senator....GW Bush was govenor of Texas for six years (one and a half terms) before he ran for President.... Not the best example I realize but still....

Abraham Lincoln served in the Illinois House of Representatives and only one term in the US House of Representatives.

[Lady's Human]

Not that anyone remembers, being that the national memory tends to be something on the order of 30 seconds, but it's not exactly new to have a female or a minority candidate in the primaries. Is everyone's memory so bad as to forget Elizabeth Dole, Geraldine Ferraro, and Jesse Jackson?

[cassiesmom]

Is everyone's memory so bad as to forget Elizabeth Dole, Geraldine Ferraro, and Jesse Jackson?

Well, let's see... Ferraro ran for VP with Walter Mondale when I was in high school... Jesse Jackson had a couple of tries in the 80s and has had one or two subsequently... but yes, I had forgotten about Mrs. Dole. I know she has had other important government and philanthropic positions but I forgot about her being a presidential candidate. (For some reason Saturday Night Live spoofs of Mr. Senator Dole leap to my mind! What's that about, I wonder?) But my memory is bad enough to forget other things, too, like I really need to stop for cat food and litter on my way home from my rehearsal tonight, I need to return my overdue library books and I probably ought to swing by the dry cleaner and get my heavy coat cleaned before the weather shifts back to typical March in Chicago again. My memory is like a colander these days. I can't speak for anyone else's, though.

[lizbud]

Not that anyone remembers, being that the national memory tends to be something on the order of 30 seconds, but it's not exactly new to have a female or a minority candidate in the primaries. Is everyone's memory so bad as to forget Elizabeth Dole, Geraldine Ferraro, and Jesse Jackson?

None of these candidates were credible candidates when they announced.
the ones announcing runs in 2007 are. People are starting to take the idea
of minority or women candidates seriously. They are finally able to raise the
vast amounts of money needed today.

[Sophist]

Yes.....and no....

We were talking about Daddy Bush, not Dubya. He did indeed get elected.

[Sophist]

Are you suggesting Hilary has denied her pro-Iraq war vote? I think not. Tried to explain it, yes, but deny it...no.

When might you start exhibiting "objective debate stance"?

Again...not a fan of Hilary...just the truth...she never claimed to be a Jew, she never claimed to be a long-term New Yorker and she never claimed to have voted against the war.

You have put all those words in her mouth.....

Or are you practicing Sophist debate? ...you know...fallacious reasoning?

Sophist reasoning is not always synonymous with fallacious. You didn't read the whole definition I provided.

I have not put any of these words in Hilary's mouth. Again, please, please, pretty pretty please read some of Hilary's speeches and press releases.

I don't remember saying she flat-out denied voting for the war? No, not those exact words. But read her recent statements, she is clearly making it sounds like she never supported it. I did try to make the point that she was for the war until other Dem forerunners openly opposed it and gained polling points. And then she was passionately against it. Gee, how convenient.

If you honestly think she didn't reveal her supposedly Jewish heritage (which she lied about, saying her grandmother was jewish when she was only married to a jewish man for a little while) after the New York Jewish community revolted on her for reports of her using ethnic slurs against Jewish politicians and publicly supporting Arafat's wife, then you are definitely a historical revisionist. She very, very strongly and repeatedly emphasized this among the Hassidic communities her support was flagging in. And guess what? Judiasm is typically passed down through a matrilineal line---at least, as far as devout jews are concerned. This is why she didn't say her father's mother was married to a jew---which would make her not Jewish according to traditional judaic law. She said her grandmother was a jew... a lie that, according to the Orthodox Jews she was campaigning amongst made her a Jew.

And her fudging of her residency requirements and involvement in New York politics is a matter of recent, well-documented record.

Denying obvious facts and committing personal attacks on those who try to make you listen to them doesn't make them go away, and refusing to learn more about a politician doesn't serve your turn well in defending their suitability for office.

[Sophist]

Not that anyone remembers, being that the national memory tends to be something on the order of 30 seconds, but it's not exactly new to have a female or a minority candidate in the primaries. Is everyone's memory so bad as to forget Elizabeth Dole, Geraldine Ferraro, and Jesse Jackson?

I think it was meant that it was a good thing to see both a minority and a woman running in the same election. Because, once again, apparently race and gender are big indicators of a politician's worth.


Then again, I do think Obama tends to be more of a... Hmm... how to phrase this?

I think Obama is more of a serious candidate than Jackson, with a much better chance than Jackson had.

[Edwina's Secretary]

We were talking about Daddy Bush, not Dubya. He did indeed get elected.

Elected (that's the "yes")...lost his run for reelection (that's the "no"...)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sophist reasoning is not always synonymous with fallacious. You didn't read the whole definition I provided.

Never saw the definition you posted....I rely on my Merriam Webster...it says...."a captious or fallacious reasoner."

It goes on to say "fallacious, illogical, unreasonable, specious".....I left those out.

[Sophist]

Never saw the definition you posted....I rely on my Merriam Webster...it says...."a captious or fallacious reasoner."

It goes on to say "fallacious, illogical, unreasonable, specious".....I left those out.

Well, then, it is a very incomplete definition and does an injustice to the Sophist school of philosophy and rhetoric.


It is all Plato's fault .