Gays and Gay Marriages

[lizzielou742]

In Kentucky, we already had laws that prevented same-sex couple from marrying, so the whole point of passing a marriage amendment to the Kentucky Constitution was kind of pointless in that respect. Here is the text of the amendment:

Are you in favor of amending the Kentucky Constitution to provide that only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be a marriage in Kentucky, and that a legal status identical to or similar to marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized?

The stupid part about this is that the second part of the amendment, "and that a legal status identical to or similar to marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized" can apply to straight AND gay couples. It's so vague. The fear is now that the amendment will put unmarried heterosexual AND homosexual couples "outside the purview of family court, deny them protection afforded by domestic violence laws and prohibit institutions from providing domestic partner benefits to employee."

http://www.kypost.com/2004/10/26/amend102604.html

I don't think the ramifications of these amendments, at least in Kentucky's case, were fully thought out. Now we're going to have a lot of judges struggling to rule from this amendment and trying to decide how to uphold it. That's one of the many reasons I voted against it. Of course, it passed.....and most of the people in Kentucky who voted for it weren't even aware that gay marriage was already illegal in Kentucky anyway.

[CamCamPup33]

I support it 100 million percent. (Support Gay marriages that is.)

Who's to say that two men or two women can't marry? The government obviously but its NOT their place. It's not the governments LIFE, so why should they even think about banning it?

It shouldn't have been an issue to vote on, and it still shouldn't be one now, Gay marriages SHOULD be allowed. Everywhere. Period.

It's not fair to them, at all.. Imagine how YOU would feel, just put yourself in their shoes when your saying "It's wrong." and "It needs to be banned, because thats GROSS!"

Say you and the love of your life, wanted to get married, but you couldn't because the laws opposed it. Thats got to be a horrible HORRIBLE feeling..

[cookieluver7]

In my opinion, I do not find it right for gay people to get married. I don't think it is right and I don't think that is the way it should be. However, I do respect other people's choices and if their choice is to marry somebody with the same gender as themselves, than that is their choice, and they can live their life as they please.

[BCBlondie]

Thank you PCB, as well as many others of you, for voicing your opinions! I think it's really interesting to see what everyone thinks, even though we may have opposing views.



I agree with Amber...
I also really liked Karen's post, and Kay also made some good points, as well as many others of you!

Thanks again for sharing your opinions, everyone!

[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by popcornbird

The fact is, homosexuality has always been disapproved of in most places, since the beginning of time. Its not something 'new' or something 'this society' disapproves of. 'Today's society' is actually more accepting of it than the world has ever been.

First, your post was very interesting and not offensive in any way that I could see. I do just want to point out that if you do some research you will find that the above statement is very untrue.

MOST societies, particularly earlier ones, had no problem with homosexuality. The ancient Greek religion had a beautiful story about love, and finding your "other half", be it male or female.

I know there are almost endless other examples (Native American culture, Druids, etc) but I'm wiped right now. I'll break out my books tomorrow and find more information.

Buckner: The constitution does not say the exact words "Separation of Church and State", BUT the passage Karen quoted says the EXACT same thing, just different wording.

[Lady's Human]

Quite frankly, the government needs to get out of people's personal lives. If you're not doing something that can cause harm to someone, let it be. If you're doing something that can cause harm, then and only then the government needs to step in.

My problem with the extremists on both the left and the right is that they continuously override the constitution, and do it without following the process in place to change it. The 10th amendment explicitly leaves the states a great deal of power, and it has been ignored for years. It has become a document of convenience, put into play only when one side or the other deems it to be in their interest. At least in placing an amendment to the constitution in play, the President has followed the process outlined in the constitution, rather than pass a law and hope the courts adjudicate it the way they want (Campaign finance reform, anyone?). The amendment has to be passed by a super majority in both the house and the senate, and then has to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures (38 states), which through the years has rarely happened.

[skydiveaddict]

I truly don't understand how gay marriage affects anyone .....except people that are gay. I can understand individual religions or churches banning marriage, they even have the right to refuse to marry heterosexual couples for some reasons.........but absolutely not the government. There is supposed to be a separation of church and state in this country and that clearly isn't the case. Like it or not, this country is a melting pot of different races, different religions (not all Christian I might add) and different sexual preferences. Our leaders should keep that in mind a bit more. It comes down to this IMO: If you don't believe in same sex marriage.....Don't marry someone of the same sex as yourself. A lot of people frown on couples that only live together and here you actually have couples that want to get married and people complain! Mind boggling.

And the following is a joke, so don't beat me up about it: When my husband and I argue I like to say: I don't see why gays can't marry.........why should heterosexuals be the only ones allowed to ruin their lives!

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by skydiveaddict

And the following is a joke, so don't beat me up about it: When my husband and I argue I like to say: I don't see why gays can't marry.........why should heterosexuals be the only ones allowed to ruin their lives!

LMAO!!!!!

[carole]

Skydiveaddict I see this is your first post here, so Welcome and may I say what an interesting post you wrote, I am in complete agreement with you there, and your joke was in good taste, can't see anyone getting upset with that, it was funny.

[Amber]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I'm going to voice my opinion on this subject.

In my beliefs, i believe a marrige should be between a man and woman. It's the awful truth you know, but just because I don't support gay marriages doesn't mean I dislike homosexuals or anything.

[heinz57_79]

I love how people equate my marrying my concenting, adult girlfriend to marrying my DOG! You make it seem like we are dirty and should be ashamed of who we are. We are PEOPLE, citizens, human beings. NOT animals! I vote. I pay taxes. I work. I live. and I love. How dare someone try to make it sound like Homosexuality should still be considered a mental disease. Because that's what it sounds like when you jump from gay marriages to bestiality.

And as much as I hate to bring culture and religion into it... here goes........ America, as a culture, is young! Very very very young! And founded off of so many different cultures, we really don't have one to call our own. The same goes with religion. Christianity is such a young religion compared to most of the others. Most American Indian tribes revered homosexuals as holy people, believing they had special insight. The same is true for Pagans and Hawaiian culture. Buddhism, one of the oldest religions, does not condemn homosexuals. In fact, it seems to be only the 'newer' religions that seem to do more condemning rather than condoning.

I can't believe anyone would want to put my right to see my partner in the hospital in the hands of the insurance companies!! How would you feel if you went to see someone who was critically ill, possibly dying, and they told you you couldn't. Because you weren't considered family? I'd like everyone to think about all the hell homosexuals have to go through..... all the pain, all the hassles, all the denied rights, all the hate crimes...... and pretend that it was happening to the straight community. How would you feel?

[micki76]

Originally posted by heinz57_79
In fact, it seems to be only the 'newer' religions that seem to do more condemning rather than condoning.

Because the Bible says its wrong, and we all know the bible is 100% correct. Right?

[snappy]

Heinz57-79 I understand how you feel. Most here in Ohio didn't really read past the first line of the amendment to see that this issue will effect many more than just "those gay people". I am a heterosexual female who has made the choice NOT to marry my partner. Until recently I didn't think I would need to because he would have rights to see me in the hospital etc. I actually thought everyone would have that right. Guess I was looking at the world through rose colored glasses.

I have many other religious leaders I can quote here that state they are FOR same sex marriage and if you would like to read the whole thing....PM me and I will gladly send it to you.

IMHO I always thought the constitution (be it state or federal) was there to GIVE rights, not take them away. Didn't we try that with the ban on acohlol in the '20's? It didn't work, and I know that at some point my sister and her gf as well as other friends will be able to join in marriage and receive the same bene's (and heartach ) as the 'straight' crowd. Until then, we who believe in a persons right to freedom and happiness should continue to try and help those who do not understand how two women or two men can and should be married and allowed the same rights as a man and a woman in a marriage.

[heinz57_79]

Originally posted by micki76
Because the Bible says its wrong, and we all know the bible is 100% correct. Right?

Like I said... the Bible just says it's wrong for 2 MEN to be together. So that means I'm free and clear right? hehehe

[carole]

Heinz until someone has been in your shoes, they really cannot know what if feels like, we can only imagine, you are being made to feel like a second class citizen, which is so wrong, me I just cannot believe the intolerence in this world still happening, when are we going to move with the times, and let people be who they are,if you are not harming anyone else, it is no business but your own, how you live.

In this thread I can really hear your pain, and it is shameful that anyone should feel that way in this day and age.

HUGS.