Opinions on this story???

[Kfamr]

I haven't heard anything on the news about it yet......

[CamCamPup33]

Originally posted by carole
Excuse my ignorance, but i have never heard of crate training a dog, except when I came to PT, please what is it? I don't think New Zealanders do this!

A crate is a portable "kennel" that is just large enough to contain the dog it is intended for, made of either metal or plastic. "Crating" is the practice of using this kennel for training purposes, usually in housetraining and houseproofing a dog.
Crating is a controversial topic. There are those who believe that crate training is indefensible and others who believe that it is a panacea. The reality is likely somewhere in between. And, Dogs are by nature den creatures and the crate, properly introduced, is its den. It is a safe haven where it does not need to worry about defending territory. It is its own private bedroom which it absolutely will not soil if it can help it. Judicious use of the crate can alleviate a number of problems, stop others from ever developing, and aid substantially in housetraining. The major use of a crate is to prevent the dog from doing something wrong and not getting corrected for it. It is useless to correct a dog for something that it has already done; the dog must be "caught in the act". If the dog is out of its crate while unsupervised, it may do something wrong and not be corrected, or worse yet, corrected after the fact. If the dog is not corrected, the dog may develop the problem behavior as a habit (dogs are creatures of habit), or learn that the it can get away with the behavior when not immediately supervised. A dog that rarely gets away with anything will not learn that if nobody is around it can get away with bad behaviors. So people use crates to train there dogs to not chew and housebreaking plus the million other things people use them for.

[2kitties]

I've decided that while it is a plausible story, I believe it is fiction, or mostly fiction. So I will bow out of the discussion.

[lizbud]

Just wanted to include a link to the ABC story I read about
this event.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories...5dogbite.shtml

Also wanted to add that I don't think the pup was evil or
demented, just a very young pup. Ever get nipped on the toes
or fingers by those razor sharp teeth that puppies have? Lastly, I
don't think it was sensible to leave a pup that age unconfined
anywhere. I'm sure it was not potty trained & most likely not
fed properly. Even if the animal curled up & slept, it would very
likely make a huge mess in the bed. Bad idea.

[Cataholic]

Never liking to reveal my age...but, I grew up with crate trained doggies, and I am, gasp, 38 this year!

My thoughts? WOW. This, like most things in life, comes down to education. If I have to place blame, as lawyers like to do, I do place it with the 'adult' in the house.

Taking the facts as true, who in their right mind places a baby animal with a partially paralyzed child? My thoughts would be FIRST for the animals safety, as that is what I signed on for when I brought them into my home, and the LIKELIHOOD of injury is with the pup, rather than the child.

I am NOT saying I don't owe a responsibility to the child, obviously, that is not accurate. But, in this situation, I would have thought the risk laid with the puppy, not the boy.

But, to PTS the dog? Come on. However, in the age of PP (permissive parenting) that makes much more sense, I guess, then saying to little Johnny, "no, puppy needs to sleep in his crate, the floor, outside your room, etc."

The whole thing reads like fiction. And to the person that said, "what do they gain by lying about it"? Lies are abound, all the time, everywhere, in the news, internet, and sadly, in our own lives.

[KYS]

posted by Cataholic:
Taking the facts as true, who in their right mind places a baby animal with a partially paralyzed child? My thoughts would be FIRST for the animals safety, as that is what I signed on for when I brought them into my home, and the LIKELIHOOD of injury is with the pup, rather than the child.>>>>>>.

I agree, THe puppy is to young to be left
un-supervised with a young child whether or not the child
was partially parayzed.

(lets hope the story is fiction)

P.S.
Given an entirely different scenero:
Even an adult dog can be harmed by a very young
child, and the dog may protect itself by using it's teeth.

Why take the chance?

[carole]

Thanks CamCam, that was very informative, I donot think this is practiced here in NZ, but I am not certain, as I don't know a lot of doggie owners.,but it is new to me.

[aly]

Ok, I haven't read all responses to this thread yet (haven't gotten past the first page actually) but come on! This puppy was not a monster. Examine the facts.

- Puppy taken away from mother 5 and a half weeks too early
- Child's hands smelled like dinner from the night before
- Puppy started chewing because the hand smelling like food was right there and puppy probably had no idea what it was doing

IRRESPONSIBLE mother lets puppy sleep with young child. A number of things could have happened.

Not to mention, why when he was 5 yrs old was he walking home alone???????????????????? Thats when he got hit by a truck!!!! GEEZ.

Bottom line: 100% blame on mother. The puppy should still be alive.

[Uabassoon]

Yes, the puppy is a finger chewing monster.

I'm not putting blame on anyone here, but I would hardly call this dog a monster. Almost every puppy or kitten I have ever met likes to nibble on fingers, Corkscrew still tries to bite my toes at night, but that doesn't make him a monster. The reason why Corkscrew stops biting me is because I pull my fingers or toes away and say "No" so he knows he has to stop. But I know if I just sat there and let him and my toes weren't moving he would continue to chew unless there was something to stop him, but I wouldn't say he was unwell or a monster. I'm assuming that if the mother was letting the puppy sleep with the child he hadn't shown signs of aggression. How is a young puppy supposed to know that what he was doing was wrong? The fingers smelled like dinner and they weren't moving and nothing was being done to tell him he was doing wrong. To him the fingers were no different then a dog bone or anything else that smells like food.

[aly]

Dogs can sense things .. since the hand was paralyzed, the pup might not have thought it was a real hand. Smelling like food didn't help matters either.

[aly]

This is Sebastian at 2 weeks (they supposedly got the puppy at 2 and a half weeks)



Sebastian and Piper at 5 weeks (the age of the puppy when the accident happened)




They definately have teeth at 5 weeks, although I'm not sold on the fact that they could chew through 4 fingers. I guess its possible though, especially if they think they aren't human fingers, but a good dog treat. My own babies can never eat solid food on their own until 8 weeks though.

[CathyBogart]

I'm with KayAnn on this one. Crate training!

Idiots.

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by aly
This is Sebastian at 2 weeks (they supposedly got the puppy at 2 and a half weeks)



Sebastian and Piper at 5 weeks (the age of the puppy when the accident happened)




They definately have teeth at 5 weeks, although I'm not sold on the fact that they could chew through 4 fingers. I guess its possible though, especially if they think they aren't human fingers, but a good dog treat. My own babies can never eat solid food on their own until 8 weeks though.

I think that a child's bones are softer than an adult's. Also I know some breeders that feed a raw diet and they wean pups onto chicken necks and wings, so.....

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by CamCamPup33
A crate is a portable "kennel" that is just large enough to contain the dog it is intended for, made of either metal or plastic. "Crating" is the practice of using this kennel for training purposes, usually in housetraining and houseproofing a dog.
Crating is a controversial topic. There are those who believe that crate training is indefensible and others who believe that it is a panacea. The reality is likely somewhere in between. And, Dogs are by nature den creatures and the crate, properly introduced, is its den. It is a safe haven where it does not need to worry about defending territory. It is its own private bedroom which it absolutely will not soil if it can help it. Judicious use of the crate can alleviate a number of problems, stop others from ever developing, and aid substantially in housetraining. The major use of a crate is to prevent the dog from doing something wrong and not getting corrected for it. It is useless to correct a dog for something that it has already done; the dog must be "caught in the act". If the dog is out of its crate while unsupervised, it may do something wrong and not be corrected, or worse yet, corrected after the fact. If the dog is not corrected, the dog may develop the problem behavior as a habit (dogs are creatures of habit), or learn that the it can get away with the behavior when not immediately supervised. A dog that rarely gets away with anything will not learn that if nobody is around it can get away with bad behaviors. So people use crates to train there dogs to not chew and housebreaking plus the million other things people use them for.

Did you copy and paste this? If so you need to site an author and copyright information. It just doesn't sound like you wrote it is all.

[aly]

Originally posted by Shelteez2
I think that a child's bones are softer than an adult's. Also I know some breeders that feed a raw diet and they wean pups onto chicken necks and wings, so.....

I didn't say it was impossible. I stated I actually did think it was unlikely, but possible, so ............