Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?

[Edwina's Secretary]

"Mc Carthyism" was a witch hunt.

The "Red Scare" of Communism in places across the planet was a real threat to the countries that were subjected to invasion, coups and Communist influence on the govenerments.

The Mac Red Scare was just a pbunch of paranoid men, with good cause, to try and keep the idea of Communism from infesting our country.

With good cause...never...have I ever heard good cause in the same sentence with the name of Joe McCarthy! Or that he was trying to keep the idea of Communism from infesting the US.

Communism had far more of a chance of catching on during the depression. McCarthy was a drunken baffoon who was trying to make a name for himself using cold war fears. Destroying people's lives.

Good cause indeed!

[Catty1]

I am gently suggesting - only suggesting - that when it comes to anything that might hint of Marxism, Communism or Socialism...many Americans get a case of PTSD, and with good reason.

All the "Socialist" etc countries had a dictatorship-like situation almost from the beginning of their history.

I don't believe it would ever take hold to such an extent in the U.S.A. It doesn't have the long history attached to it in America.

If this health bill is being rammed through without adequate reading, preparation and amendment, then yes, loud protest is needed. I don't think that is right.

Factual change is a good thing, I think; but protest due to a knee-jerk fear reaction because one perceives a possible shade of pink in the proceedings is scary.

JMO. I'm not there, so it's only MO.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I am gently suggesting - only suggesting - that when it comes to anything that might hint of Marxism, Communism or Socialism...many Americans get a case of PTSD, and with good reason.

All the "Socialist" etc countries had a dictatorship-like situation almost from the beginning of their history.

I don't believe it would ever take hold to such an extent in the U.S.A. It doesn't have the long history attached to it in America.
so it's only MO.

I cannot imagine what possible reason - good or bad - many Americans would have post traumatic stress about Marxism, Communism, or Socialism. The country had never been invaded by any of those or any dictatorship like situation.

I have been trying to remember if I have ever even MET a communist or marxist - best I can come up with is I suppose I did when visiting the nominally communist former Yugoslavia. And I suppose somewhere in my life I have met a socialist. But trauma??? Stress??

Not only is there not a long history of dictatorship, socialism, communist or marxism - there isn't any.

Are there people running around Canada suffering from Post Traumatic Stress because of communism, marxism or socialism?

[RICHARD]

I am gently suggesting - only suggesting - that when it comes to anything that might hint of Marxism, Communism or Socialism...many Americans get a case of PTSD, and with good reason.

If this health bill is being rammed through without adequate reading, preparation and amendment, then yes, loud protest is needed. I don't think that is right.

Factual change is a good thing, I think; but protest due to a knee-jerk fear reaction because one perceives a possible shade of pink in the proceedings is scary.

JMO. I'm not there, so it's only MO.

We ain't gonna turn turtle after 233 years of fighting off the jokers who do not like us.

The 'thing' the media and people do not realize is that we want HCR, we don't want the "Force it in/out" mentality.


The people who are enamoured of the prez and his wacky 'change' mentality do not realize the depth nor the scope of what the delivery of a sound, progressive, modern and cheap health care program is.

If you want to climb Mt Everest you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. BO wants to airlift everyone and everything to the top of the hill and let things trickle down.

Ah, Mister Prez?
Helicopters don't fly that high and you may be suffering from hypoxia.

It has nothing to do with knee jerk reactions.

It has to do with the citizens being given a chance to have a voice in the decision that the prez wants to make. That's it.

IT's the same with the "school talk" at the kids. I sure a shiat don't want some politician getting buddy buddy with my kids and whispering anything in their ears.

If you have small children ask you local reps if they would like to care for them for a few days. I trust them like I'd trust the moron who kidnapped the gal and held her for 18 years. They are worse than that type of criminal-Our politicians lie to our faces and say it's for our 'own good'.

If anyone questions what the prez is trying to 'push through', we are labeled as "racists" and "old crazy people".


So, If were are racist and crazy, that must mean the supporters of the regime in power right now are brainless fools -sheeple- who cannot and will not question any moves made by them.

No one knows what exactly is in the HCR/HIR bills, how they will affect the future of delivered HC in the future and how the costing will be affected, so for them to support something as ill-thought out as a Obama inspired reform?
They should be ready to accept the consequences of that bill and should be held responsible for it's failure.

I ONLY CARE ABOUT HOW THE HCR WILL AFFECT THE MASSES.
I don't care about Obama and his race, creed or family.

I just don't like the idea that this jerk wants to go over the heads or the people who object to his ideas and has his supporters trying to force it down my piehole.


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Watch how fast this paragraph is ignored.




IF you support BO's HCR take some money and put it into the bank.

I'll check in later with you. Should the bill fail and eff up the HC industry give me the money, If not, keep you money and laugh at me.

Show how much you believe in this clown show, put you money where your mouth is.


P.S. the fact that I am not betting on this? Should you win the bet and get to laugh at me, will it be enough to make it worth your while?

Don't just put faith in your party, Fund the action. Make a stand. Yes, you can-but how long can you?

God knows we could all use a rip-roaring shin dig?

[IRescue452]

to play devil's advocate, kids do need a kick in the pants to start caring about their education. Politics aside, the education part is fine.

[Edwina's Secretary]

The 'thing' the media and people do not realize is that we want HCR, we don't want the "Force it in/out" mentality.

The thing people don't realize is that we??? Now who would those people be who don't know what we want?

Gosh..."we" are you the Pope or the Queen of England. Because I sure don't remember electing you to represent me!

[RICHARD]

to play devil's advocate, kids do need a kick in the pants to start caring about their education. Politics aside, the education part is fine.

I have to chime in here.


The only thing that comes out of the 'inspirational' Horse Shiat for tomorrow is the parents who voted for BO are going to do the PPS/E with the kids when they get home.

(Say this like you are gasping for air after a sprint.....)

OHOHOHOH, what did the prez say?
Did you pay attention?
What did you think?


Please, for most of the kids it will be time to eff off and text.

Do you think that the Omnipotent One will hold sway over children that age?

Again, do not underestimate kids.

They know the BSers and Knuckleheads when they see them.

Also, you get a child to listen to an "inspirational" talk- I have to edit myself here!!!!!


bye!

[jennielynn1970]

We have a whole list of kids at school who are NOT allowed to view the address. Can't say I blame the parents really.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Again, do not underestimate kids.


bye!

Sounds to me as if you are the one underestimating kids.

I remember, when I was a kid, parents who would not let their children be in school for sex education -- didn't want them exposed! Wouldn't let them be around children of a different faith or a different race.

You can put blinders on a child I suppose...but I am not sure what that accomplishes.

I would rather a parent let a child see the world and decide what they value, what they don't. You know...trust you kid to make the right choice based on the values you have taught them? That is what my parents did.

So good bye and so long!

[blue]

who was the first to go negative with snide remarks?

Post #84.

As for plagiarism...that comment is funny. Only claiming yourself as the author, or passing it off as your own thought, makes it plagiarism. There are probably about .002% of the population having original, first, 'virgin' thoughts. Chances are, if you thought it, so did about 500,000 other people, two weeks ago.

I believe in giving credit when and where credit is due. By not giving credit or posting the source, people are plagiarising when simply cutting and pasting.
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Am I the only one who read the speech? I probably am.

If this was the same speech that went with the original "lesson plan", why wasnt it released last week? Releasing it earlier would have been a much wiser thing to do then to let this all build up over the weekend. Ild like to see the speech, or layout, that went with the original lesson plan, [EDIT]but the transparency of this administration wont allow that.[/EDIT]

[moosmom]

I saw exactly what Obama was going to say to all the school children. He is an AWESOME role model, and if it helps get some of these kids to stay in school, get an education and makes them better people, then I say

HELL YEAH!!!!

[sasvermont]

I agree 100%, Moosmom. I don't know why so many people were worked up about their children watching or listening to a President. I was not a fan of either President Bush, and yet I watched every speech that was on TV, so that I could stay informed. Even if parents didn't support the current President, I would have encourage the children to listen/watch and then form their own opinions.

Much ado about nothing.

[Cataholic]

I agree 100%, Moosmom. I don't know why so many people were worked up about their children watching or listening to a President. I was not a fan of either President Bush, and yet I watched every speech that was on TV, so that I could stay informed. Even if parents didn't support the current President, I would have encourage the children to listen/watch and then form their own opinions.

Much ado about nothing.

It is much ado about nothing. When you consider the horrible retention rate of children these days, kids graduating without knowing their ABC's, dropouts, general decline in education because of a lack of parenting (IMO), everyone is all of a sudden concerned about a child listening to a president? As if the child will listen, become en-culted (I made that word up), and rebel against the household politics, all because of a speech? If that were the case, our educational system would not be where it is.

[pomtzu]

Even if parents didn't support the current President, I would have encourage the children to listen/watch and then form their own opinions.

Much ado about nothing.

I agree with the much ado............

And unfortunately, I believe if the children form any opinion at all, it will be based on what they are hearing (if anything) at home from their parents.

[Edwina's Secretary]

A parent was interviewed on the radio this morning. He said he is afraid his child will want to become a community organizer if she listens to the speech.

I am not making that up.