New Puppy and Cat has given Birth to 2 kittens

[Lori Jordan]

I don't believe anyone is upset that the cats got out. Many of us have had a cat or dog get out and it's scary but it happens sometimes. What has people upset is that they were not spayed, and seems to feel that if she wants to breed cats and dogs no one should question her on it. When people brought up spaying the cats and kittens, she got upset and defensive, stating she's been breeding cats and dogs longer than many here have been born. That is what triggered a lot of people to become emotional and upset about it.

That's why I felt there is no need to bring Delta into this, it has zero bearing on the argument/conflict that is going on here since it's not about the cats getting out. Plus I am VERY sure Tamara is tired of seeing her name brought in as a comparison, it's been done before in other threads which I know you weren't here then, but I just feel bad to see it happen again.

I guess what it comes down to is she wants to be happy and excited about the kittens and the new lives.. and that is natural but I think people just want her to realize what a serious issue it is too, and when trying to tell her that, she immediately takes it as a personal attack and gets upset. Then others get offended and upset by her responses, and it turns into a vicious cycle.

As tp breeding cats i wrote that wrong i have never bred cats just German Shepherds,so i apologize for the mix up!And in all everyone gets deffensive when they are getting a finger pointed at and in all of these posts the kittens were unexpected and i do not like them being called an Ooops they are defensless and should not have to pay for why they were born and i do not look as them as a mistake they are too sweet and innocent to have that title put on them.

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[Alysser]

?And what is your reasoning for being rude

Because you are being rude. We never ever ever stated that those kittens don't deserve a home. I am in complete agreement with Kay, Tamara and Delta should not be brought into this thread. There is no reason at all for it. i don't see how a dog running away and a cat having kittens is the same .

[Lori Jordan]

Many of us didn't even post until she became exceptionally rude and condescending, if you take a look back.

Ok how would you feel and im not being rude im being defensive im fighting for myself,I'm not a bad person the way i am being put out to be ,and that is wrong as to my cats getting out the ate through my screen and these windows have been open for 3 years so yes it a big deal im aware of distemper and all the rest that comes along but instead of calling me names and telling me to go back and read posts why dont you?You have not been an angel by anymeans.As too all the rest that has been said i only started being rude when i was being charged at bottom line.And i do not take pride on acting like i have but being attacked is not a nice thing expesially when i have been nothing but nice on all other posts that people have been looking for some guidence and help....

[Alysser]

i do not look as them as a mistake they are too sweet and innocent to have that title put on them.

That's what many people think before they breed they're cats. They think just because they are cute and innocent people will want them. They don't realize they are adding to the populations of animals in shelters. Did you ever think of the father? Sure, the mom may be the nicest cat in the world. But the father could be the nastiest cat in town. He could have diseases, behavoiral issues,ect. and these kittens may have to pay with their lives for the disease.

[cmayer31]

Every now and then a thread comes along that touches a lot of people just the right way and this is one of those.

Lori, I'm glad that you are excited that the cats have had kittens. The picture is very cute, and I'm terribly sorry to hear that one of them has passed over the bridge. It's exciting when new life comes into the world and I understand your excitment that there are new babies on the way. It is good to hear that you plan to have the cats spayed and that is the best thing to do in my opinion.

I think the big picture is that it happened, and nothing is going to change that fact now. However, where most of the people on this board are coming from is that it "could" have been avoided... true. The bigger picture is that now the cats will be spayed and it will not happen again, and that is all that can be expected at this point in time, right now. There is a huge population of pets both mixed and purebred and that population needs help in the form of adoptions and rescues; not to be amplified by accidental litters. The only way to prevent accidental litters is through spaying and neutering, and that is all that I personally ask is to help the population by spaying and neutering before the next oops. I don't think anyone meant to be offensive, I just think that the nature of this thread leads to a bit more defensive/emotional threads.

I do expect to see more pictures of course, of the kitties and the new canine addition.

[Lori Jordan]

Its ok for everyone else to express there feelings and be rude though?right?

[Vela]

Your kittens are an oops unless you planned and thought out this pregnancy and intentionally bred your cats. I don't see where you are getting the whole thing about anyboy not wanting the kittens to live now that they are born and to find good homes and that they don't deserve to live. Calling it an oops pregnancy is in no way giving them a title. Nobody said you should just leave them to die now that they are born, the entire problem people were/are having is the fact that your cats were never spayed and ended up pregnant, which adds to the overpopulation problem.

"It really has no concern to any of them if i was abusing these animals or mistreating them in anyway then sure step in and yes i know what can happen i was breeding dogs and kittens longer than most in here have been alive i do not need to be told."

This comment is what made most people upset, unless I'm mistaken, and made it sound like you figure you know everything there is to know and don't need to ever learn anything else. That's how is comes across. While that may not be how you meant it, that's how it sounds. Just to clarify why it seemed to get people upset. Anyway good luck to you and the reminaing kitten and the kittens of the other cat and I hope they don't have any more babies. There are plenty enough to go around already.


BTW I never claimed to be an angel, nor did I tell you to go back and read any posts, I was talking to someone else. I am also as entitled to my opinion as you are yours and I think it was wrong not to spay your cats. I'm not going to change my opinion because you don't like it, sorry. And breeding your dog in the past has absolutely nothing to do with your cats being pregnant now because they weren't spayed. Sorry you don't like my opinion of it, but I didn't ask you to agree with me, I just responded to a post on a public forum. If you get so upset with people posting and talking about what you post, then I don't know why you post it. You have to be willing to hear things you both like and dislike, we all do.

[Lori Jordan]

Vela is correct. No one was rude to Lori. We simply voiced our opinions on the topic. Need I remind you? This is a public forum with people. People have different opinions. We are giving her friendly advice and in no way,shape,or form were we "rude" to her. In my experience, when someone has a different opinion from another indivuidaul(sp?) they automatically think that the other person is being rude because they are agianst it. That's exactly what's happening here.

Lori, are you proud of breeding dogs and cats eresponisibly? That's not something people want to hear here. How did our dogs come into the world has nothing to do with this so please don't think it's a good comeback. RESPONSIBLE breeders created some of our dogs. As for the mutts, people rescued them from the shelter because they are an "OOPS" litter. I see no point in being proud of this. Personally, I don't care if you bred animals before I was born because you are creating more and more animals while others die. I will never never ever breed a dog. It's irresponsible unless done properly. I don't see why you are so proud of this.

Well i was not an erasponsible dog breeder thanks for that though my dogs are in the Police forces all over the world some are retired now and yes i do take pride in that,who wouldn't.

[Lori Jordan]

Your kittens are an oops unless you planned and thought out this pregnancy and intentionally bred your cats. I don't see where you are getting the whole thing about anyboy not wanting the kittens to live now that they are born and to find good homes and that they don't deserve to live. Calling it an oops pregnancy is in no way giving them a title. Nobody said you should just leave them to die now that they are born, the entire problem people were/are having is the fact that your cats were never spayed and ended up pregnant, which adds to the overpopulation problem.

"It really has no concern to any of them if i was abusing these animals or mistreating them in anyway then sure step in and yes i know what can happen i was breeding dogs and kittens longer than most in here have been alive i do not need to be told."

This comment is what made most people upset, unless I'm mistaken, and made it sound like you figure you know everything there is to know and don't need to ever learn anything else. That's how is comes across. While that may not be how you meant it, that's how it sounds. Just to clarify why it seemed to get people upset. Anyway good luck to you and the reminaing kitten and the kittens of the other cat and I hope they don't have any more babies. There are plenty enough to go around already.

Ok you said your part whether they are oops are not the Baby should not be called names.I take effence to that but being called a enresponible breeder.how many people have had many unexpected littlers ,and that does not make them a bad person in the least.Everyone has there opinions and it has been expressed but you all here "most"are saying that im rude and all the rest why hasnt any of the rest owned up to being rude! I am expecting another litter and by the look of the kitten it looks to be my next door neighbors cat and he is fine up to date shots she came over and agreed it had to of been her cat.But that does not mean i can cut her down a size,it happend there is nothing i can take back or change all there is left to do is deal with it,and make sure these cats have the best lifes they can possibly can!that is all we can do.But saying the things that have been said are degrading to me and i have done nothing but been nice to all other problems and situations that have come up in the months i have been here why cant i get that in return?

[Lori Jordan]

As to the dog breeding i was told i was irresponsible so now being able to have an opinion i responded to it,

[Vela]

I owned up to being rude earlier and I apologized for it. I made some posts based strictly on emotion and not thinking through what I was saying. It came after watching the video of the dogs in the garbage can and it upset me. Most of my posts, however, were not bashing but only voicing my opinion of WHY I thought it was irresponsible and why it bothered me. While I admit I posted in haste and not very nicely in a couple of my posts, it does not change my opinion of spaying and neutering. I am glad to hear they will be fixed in the future, it will be better for them and for you. Nobody dislikes the kittens, and everyone wants to see them go to a good home but it still upsets people to see babies born when there are so many dying and nothing is going to make anyone feel differently about that. I also know that nobody here wants to see anything bad happen to the kittens at this point so please stop thinking that anyone has said that. Calling them an oops is not calling them names, it's simply referring to the unplanned pregnancy, and is much easier to type out than "unplanned pregnancy" so there is no need to take offence to that. I also want to emphasize that being irresponsible in regards to something, like not spyaing your pets, or whatever, does not mean someone is a bad person and nobody implied you were a bad person. In my opinion it IS irresponsible not to fix them, but that doesn't mean everyone hates you or thinks you are a bad person, it means people thought that not fixing your cats was not a responsible thing to do.

[Alysser]

The way you stated it was very ignorant. For one, you never said anything about the dogs and from the way you let your cats get pregnant people assumed you were irresponsible. We never called YOU rude. We called your posts rude. And by the way, in no way was Krista being rude. She said to spay and neuter your animals and I don't see anything in that statement that is rude and/or offensive.

[Lori Jordan]

That's exactly right, just because you have bred animals before doesn't necessarily make you a responsible breeder........

All my dogs are retired or curently in Police forces all over the world

[CagneyDog]

This is a joke.