Chewy, I need elp on the most important decision ever

[micki76]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty


Nope I have never in my life givin up a dog thank you very much. And I have trained Chewy well, you don't know him and will everyone please stop attacking me god. Sorry I've been to busy to replay latly but I see I have turned out to be the most horrible person on the earth acording to ya'll. Yup thats right I'm a cold heartless bitch who kills dogs for no reson, thanx guys, really.

I'm going to make this large so you all can read it this time
I am calling a behaviorist tomrrow. I will see what they say!! Now that I hope ya'll have read that.


Ash

I don't think anything of the sort!!!!!! I think you're giving up too easily on him. I know you've dob\ne everything YOU can do. All I'm saying is don't put him down before you give someone else a chance with him who wants a chance and has shown they can help dogs with this problem.

Ash, you have stated here that you definately are putting him to sleep. You talked about how you'd make his last week alive great. It just bothers me. I am SO glad that you're calling a behaviorist. No one thinks you're a bad person, we just can't undertand why you are so intent to do this????

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
ps: I think my trainer is crazy seriously though

Why would you say that? Did she say she could help Chewy? Because if she did she has a lot more experience with this sort of thing than any owner does. Good luck!


I do have to say though that I don't agree that you should get a dog "before" Chewy gets put down if he does. You should focus all your attention on him and making his last days as comfortable as possible, not stressing him more with brining in a new dog so he can see you give the other dog attnetion. That sounds really hurtful.

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by luckies4me
Why would you say that? Did she say she could help Chewy? Because if she did she has a lot more experience with this sort of thing than any owner does. Good luck!

NO she wants me to go see teh worst vet in the area and talk to him about putting him on Kidney failer medcine, whic hmight help I mean I don't know, I'm not a trainer. I'm goign to call my vet and see what he thinks cause he is so smart adn I trust and value his opioin in this. She also said Chewy is dangerouse and should probly be locked in a room at all times because you never know when he is going to bit.

I dont' insist on him being put down, I just feel he is dangerouse, imagine if he did that to a little girl. It was horrible, I wish you could have seen it. Also, I'm afried I know what most trainers are going to say. Put a basket muzzle on him and he needs to wear expet when he is locked up in his crate. (What the Crazy trainer said and said her vet will say)

Also, I'm not giving him to Molly and Mike, if there is hope for him I will find him another home, but they have to many dogs for Chewy. I man don't get me wrong Molly and Mike are my hero for saving all those dogs, (and I think they need 20 more ), but I don't think Chewy would be happy and I don't want him to live a life of misery.

Ash

[Sudilar]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty


NO she wants me to go see teh worst vet in the area and talk to him about putting him on Kidney failer medcine, whic hmight help

So she thinks he might have a physical problem? Could pain be causing his aggression?

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by micki76
I am SO glad that you're calling a behaviorist. No one thinks you're a bad person, we just can't undertand why you are so intent to do this????

Thanx, I hope she says we can do something. I've been crying all day, its been a crappy day. I need to go through the list lovemyshiba sent me to see which ones are behaviorist and I plan on calling them all what can I say, I love my Chewy. So, dont' try to call me tomrrow the line will be busy...

Ash

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by Sudilar


So she thinks he might have a physical problem? Could pain be causing his aggression?

Nope. She thinsk the medicine will help him. Also not feeding him as much will help. And I was abotu to up his food. But his problems are his bad genes. She said alot of hound dogs come in with the same problems and so do Aussies. She has put alot of them to sleep and she feels Chewy is the same way. He just got the worst of the 2 breeds genes. But of course he got his daddy's pretty Aussie looks and his momma's body, LOL. It still cracks me up everytiem I look at him, he's sooo looooonng, LOL.

Ash

[wolf_Q]

Let us know how it goes with your vet and the phone calls. I hope that you will able to do what is best for Chewy...I really hope you are able to help him with his aggression and keep him with you, and if not the decision is yours, and we know you loved him no matter what.

And no offense to Molly or Mike, but I honestly would not want to have my dog living with 20 other dogs either. It may work with some dogs, but I think it could overwhelm others, and they just wouldn't be happy.

I think it would be good to get several opinions! Maybe a good behaviorist who deals in aggression will be the answer. I hope...I've been thinking about Chewy all day.

[mugsy]

I'm done. Obviously my offers mean nothing. I'm sorry that Chewy is the one that loses (and if that makes me a witch, so be it...it's my opinion). I've done all that I can. And wolfq, our dogs are well loved and well taken care of and I'm sorry if you wouldn't ALLOW any of your dogs to come to us....that's YOUR problem.

[micki76]

Originally posted by wolf_Q
And no offense to Molly or Mike, but I honestly would not want to have my dog living with 20 other dogs either. It may work with some dogs, but I think it could overwhelm others, and they just wouldn't be happy.

Dogs live in PACKS! They are not lone creatures.

[aly]

Originally posted by luckies4me

I do have to say though that I don't agree that you should get a dog "before" Chewy gets put down if he does.

She's said in a previous post that she would definately not get it before Chewy was put to sleep. I think she's just looking around now but would not adopt until after Chewy was gone.

I am in agreement with Twisterdog on this pretty much. We all know how much Ash loves her baby. She knows the problems a lot more than we do. She's calling aggression specialists. I think that if someone specializing in aggression tells her she does need to put him to sleep, then that is what she needs to do. If she says he will be miserable with 20 other dogs, she's probably right. I know one of my own dogs would never ever go for that because of her traumatizing past. Ash and Amy are not saying they wouldn't want their dogs to live with mugsy in particular .. just anyone with a large number of dogs. I have no doubt in my mind your dogs are well loved and cared for Molly. I just know that my girl gets extremely uncomfortable around more than a couple dogs and/or bigger dogs. Thats all I'm saying but thats not even on topic I guess.

I think the people on this board who are involved in rescue one way or another understand a little better that not every one can be saved. If he is aggressive because of his genes, he probably cannot be fixed. I know that a VAST majority of behavioral problems CAN be fixed, but there is a handful that can't. Unfortunately it looks like Chewy fits into this category If indeed his aggression in not fixable, keeping him alive could be a very cruel thing to do. Living a life locked up and muzzled with no human or even dog interaction is worse than being put to sleep

Also, most shelters would probably put him to sleep before even moving him into the adoption area

[Aspen and Misty]

Yes but Chewy attacks dogs and attacks to kill. You don't know Chewy, he attacks dogs and I'm afreid that He will attackone of there dogs and ripped there skin off there neck. Now I know there dogs are cratted while they are not home, (I have no problem with that cause Chewy is) so I know nothign would go on while they weren't home but when Chewy attacks not even beign smacked with a hairbrush as hard as you can can get him to let go of the dog. He kinda has springer rage, his eyes glaze over he has no idea what is going on and he attacks to kill.

Also I know dogs are pack animals but Chewy does not like other dogs, infact I think he hates them.

Molly, please, I'm sorry, I know you love your dogs and I know you are an angel. Honestly, when I grow up I hope I can be half as selfless as you are. I really do beleave all your dogs are the luckiest things on the earth.

Ash

[wolf_Q]

Excuse me? Did I say your dogs were not well cared for??? Did I say that your dogs were not happy living together??

I'm fully aware that dogs are pack animals. Dogs enjoy the company of other dogs. I, PERSONALLY, yes my own opinion, about MY OWN dog, would not want my dog living with 20 other dogs. Is that ok with with you?? Am I allowed to have an opinion???

[micki76]

Originally posted by aly
If indeed his aggression in not fixable, keeping him alive could be a very cruel thing to do. Living a life locked up and muzzled with no human or even dog interaction is worse than being put to sleep

This I definately agree with. I just want to make sure that it is the case here, that it can't be fixed.

[zippy-kat]

What does a pack do when an aggressive dog is introduced?

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by aly


She's said in a previous post that she would definately not get it before Chewy was put to sleep. I think she's just looking around now but would not adopt until after Chewy was gone.

I am in agreement with Twisterdog on this pretty much. We all know how much Ash loves her baby. She knows the problems a lot more than we do. She's calling aggression specialists. I think that if someone specializing in aggression tells her she does need to put him to sleep, then that is what she needs to do. If she says he will be miserable with 20 other dogs, she's probably right. I know one of my own dogs would never ever go for that because of her traumatizing past. Ash and Amy are not saying they wouldn't want their dogs to live with mugsy in particular .. just anyone with a large number of dogs. I have no doubt in my mind your dogs are well loved and cared for Molly. I just know that my girl gets extremely uncomfortable around more than a couple dogs and/or bigger dogs. Thats all I'm saying but thats not even on topic I guess.

I think the people on this board who are involved in rescue one way or another understand a little better that not every one can be saved. If he is aggressive because of his genes, he probably cannot be fixed. I know that a VAST majority of behavioral problems CAN be fixed, but there is a handful that can't. Unfortunately it looks like Chewy fits into this category If indeed his aggression in not fixable, keeping him alive could be a very cruel thing to do. Living a life locked up and muzzled with no human or even dog interaction is worse than being put to sleep

Thanx, I'm glad you trust my judgemtn. I really need suport right now and I don't want to fight with anyone adn I don't wnat any one to be mad. I promise I'm not just a supid teen, I really know what I'm doing and I'm doing all I can! I'm calling behaviorist and I'm talking to my vet, what else do you want me to do???



Ash