Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[wombat2u2004]

As I see it, it's a matter of sensitivity and not legality. Why must Americans, and families of victims of 9/11 in particular, be sensitive to the wishes of Muslims, whether they are peace loving Muslims or not? Why aren't the Muslims who are so insistent on building the mosque there showing sensitivity to the 9/11 victim's families? Why did the imam say that the mosque must be built there? WHY? Why is it so important to them that it be built there when there are already over 100 mosques in NYC? I've yet to hear anyone question their legality to do so. It's legal; we know. Now that that's out of the way, why must they build there and why must those who object to their building there be labeled as anti anything other the building of the mosque?

Exactly.
To hell with the moral argument, that's just another Western perversion.

[Bonny]

Once again this is not about hate. It is about common sense & few people seem to have it. It is caring about what we hold dear our Freedom which is not free. We aren't going to forget 911 it was an attack on our country & our freedom. It can happen again too. What about the aid workers in Afghanistan? The Taliban claimed the aid workers were coverting Muslims to Christianity without any proof & killed them all. Now that is hate.

One of the aid workers was related to a friend of mine. He was a dentist. Here is an example of how the men rule in Islam. In a village a warlord in a small village would not allow the dentist to examine his wife's teeth & there were negotiations about how he would perform the exams & how she would keep her face covered during the work. The dental work was done & then the other women in the village were allowed to have their teeth examined. It was one of the dentists greatest accomplishments. He was offered protection by the warlord but it was not enough he was killed.

[wombat2u2004]

It is caring about what we hold dear our Freedom

OMG....BONNY !!!!!!
How can you be so BLATANTLY RASCIST !!!!!!
We need to get back to basics........a fuedal system would be good. The sooner America is Islamised, the better.

[Bonny]

Wombat, The world is getting smaller. We either stand up for freedom or run with our tail tucked in.

[wombat2u2004]

Wombat, The world is getting smaller. We either stand up for freedom or run with our tail tucked in.

Good idea Bonny.
I think we should get some of our moderates to go see the imams and explain the situation to them.
They could say "Look, no disrespect is intended here, but there are some people who don't like some of your ideas. We know that our constitution protects almost everything you do, but could you please see it within your hearts to at least reconsider the relocation of the mosque ???"

I think that'll work.
We have some experts on Constitutional laws right here on this forum...perhaps they should try it.

[wombat2u2004]

The Taliban claimed the aid workers were coverting Muslims to Christianity without any proof & killed them all. Now that is hate.

Damn !!! What can we label that as ???? Do they have a word in Arabic that equals "Racist" ???

[RICHARD]

If it makes anyone feel better?

The 100 million dollar project has a total of 28,500 dollars promised so far.
They do not have an architect or any of the other support people needed to START the project.


Now? I really hope the do build it because some of us are going to look back at this thread in a fews months and laugh?

[Bonny]

Richard, Your good friend Nancy P. will come up with the rest of the money. Nancy will dig her heels in & go for it.

[RICHARD]

Richard, Your good friend Nancy P. will come up with the rest of the money. Nancy will dig her heels in & go for it.

Is she going to "gin it up"?

the saddest part, she speaks like she believes it. She's like the teetering g-ma that people leave alone because if you say something to her the blood pressure goes and she starts to scream at you?

[Lady's Human]

What's really amusing about this whole issue is that voters in Manhattan, who would be the ones living next to the mosque, are in favor of it, according to a Qiuinnipiac University poll:

Opinions about the proposed mosque range from 46 - 36 percent support among Manhattan voters

What's driving the controversy? Ad revenue for the Media. Yet another created crisis pouring advertising money into their coffers.

[Miss Z]

[dons fireproof undies]

I just find the level of Islamophobia being manifested disturbing, although it appears that I am in the minority here. It's demonizing a religion/culture. It smells too much like the scrutiny given Germans during WWI, and the internment of Nisei in WWII. Near the WTC site is not the only places where mosques are being protested. None of those places were bombed by Islamist [emphasis mine] terrorists on 9/11 or any other time.

IMO, I see a ton of moral relativism in this whole debate. "They won't let Christians build a church in Mecca". Does that make a lesser wrong any less wrong? (Did that even make sense?)

Totally agreed and thanks for putting that so eloquently.

What I find disturbing is the phrase I've seen a few times, 'between Islam and America', implying them as separate. Surely by that very first amendment afore mentioned, that should not be the case.

It's a classic case of a lack of education in many respects - I often find that people who seem to know so much about the cruelties and injustices of Islam don't know any people of that faith who might be able to give them a new perspective.

And as for a source about Muslims being a peace-loving people, go to an Arabic country, and see how many greet you with 'salam'.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, good ole Nancy P wants everyone who opposes the building of the mosque to be investigated. Why not investigate where they are getting the money to build that thing? I've heard they don't have enough money to even start it yet. I bet there will be some, um, donations from other countries flooding in.

By the way, I also heard there has been a Christian church trying to get permision to build near that area since 9/11. They keep getting denied.

[kitten645]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0

[RICHARD]

Nancy P has got to be the funniest person in Cah Lee Fuh Nee ah.

Again, she is a blithering idiot who seems to have spent way too much time
trying to keep up with the 'boys'. She has talked about people with conspiracy theories before.

Her interviews become more and more bizarre as time goes on.

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The problem with Islam is that there is no "Head" Iman, Well, I guess there really is one.

Ask David Bowie......

There is no one 'voice of reason'. every faction has their own way of looking at the religion and that shows when there are topics related to Islam.

No one can speak out about the IDIOTS who have hijacked the religion.

Everyone, as noted before, has an opinion and a rear end.

It's finding out which side is making the noise and trying to figure out if it makes sense.


There have not been enough people to speak out against a religion and the people that choose to hijack it.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL,

Go to a border town here in the U.S. and all the people are really friendly and tell you "Vaya Con Dios". It's the guys that are running the drugs,kidnapping and executing people that are the heathens, Pay no attention to them and you will be o.k.

It's not the natives, it's being naive.

My rose colored glasses are really cheap, I'd hate to invest a ton of money in a pair and lose them while being bound and gagged by some Narcoterrorist while I am on vacation in THEIR backyard.

[Puckstop31]

Totally agreed and thanks for putting that so eloquently.

What I find disturbing is the phrase I've seen a few times, 'between Islam and America', implying them as separate. Surely by that very first amendment afore mentioned, that should not be the case.

It's a classic case of a lack of education in many respects - I often find that people who seem to know so much about the cruelties and injustices of Islam don't know any people of that faith who might be able to give them a new perspective.

And as for a source about Muslims being a peace-loving people, go to an Arabic country, and see how many greet you with 'salam'.

I agree 100% on the right to worship as one chooses. I also could care less about them building a mosque where they want to. Its just a building. The church is the people, not the building. What I care about is how the people of a certain church behave.

But on a similar line of thought... Where I see the trouble happening is when people of a certain religious group want a set of laws that are different from the country they choose to live in. I am not 100% up to speed on what is going on in the UK with this right now... But I do recall seeing something about a judge allowing 'certain aspects' of sharia law to apply to muslim groups in the UK. Any comment on that Zara?

Not picking on you or anything, I just know you have a soild brain up there and you live in the UK.