Can somebody explain the most recent Israel/Palestine conflict?

[Giselle]

It's absolutely ludicrous how folks who are so devoutly religious and who preach "love and justice" are so quick to turn the gun and endorse violence.

And I'm not even talking about the Middle East.

[blue]

My Native American kinfolk and I beg to differ with you on this!

QUOTE: So should we give the continent back to the original settlers of the continent and move back to where ever the heck we came from?
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Ok, but tell me which country those of us with mixed heritages should go back to? Besides, I did come from this country!

I conceded the point once and will again to you and your kinfolk.

If someone wants to fund my relocation to Ireland, Im game even though the skiing there isnt near as great.

I place great importance on what he's told me, as well as the different sites I've read over the years about the situation. If he's experience things first hand, since he IS a Palestinian refugee, why shouldn't I place great importance upon what he has told me in regards to that?? I've heard about his relatives being killed, I've heard about his brother and father living on the boats, unable to dock at any country during the conflict in Kuwait.

Im glad you place great importance on your ex has shared with you and what you have shared here, its been a great learning experience even hearing it secondhand. But I was hoping to hear/read your opinions after hearing both sides of the story. Does the official "news" mean more to you or does your ex's experiences of past events have greater importance to your opinion of the situation? Or do you still have contact with your ex, and are up to date on what is not reported in the news. If the later is the case, I would gladly take his accountings secondhand.

If my history is correct Palistinians that lived in what is now Israel where offerred citizenship, most declined and enterred refuge status.

Did I say that I back all the crazy things that the Islamic radical fundamentalists do? No. I don't back anything that is so crazy and creates more chaos. What I was saying was that, I understand how they can be so upset and pissed off that they are displaced. They were driven out of their land, like the Native Americans were (which I'm related to, through my grandpa, he was Delaware Indian).

I didnt say or mean to imply that you backed any of the crazy things islamic radicals do, if you got that impression I retract those statements and appologise.

I still think that the land belongs to the Palestinians and others who lived there before they created Israel after WWII. That's my belief, and I've believed that even before I met my ex (back in 2003). He and I didn't agree on many things, but we bonded on that one.

The Jews and Palistines have coexisted for a long time, centuries, before Israel was a country. Not allways peacefully but they coexisted. The Jews where also there before Israel was created.

The real problem is the PLO and Hammas see the Palistinian people as pawns, they feed and support them only to be use them as tools against Israel. They have hidden behind them while attacking Israel, mayrtering them to further their agendas.

[EDIT]Could you back up your claim that Israel is using their innocents the same way Hammas is?[/EDIT]

[Edwina's Secretary]

It's absolutely ludicrous how folks who are so devoutly religious and who preach "love and justice" are so quick to turn the gun and endorse violence.

And I'm not even talking about the Middle East.

Amen! (and I won't even ask you to "back it up!")

[blue]

It's absolutely ludicrous how folks who are so devoutly religious and who preach "love and justice" are so quick to turn the gun and endorse violence.

And I'm not even talking about the Middle East.

Amen! (and I won't even ask you to "back it up!")

I will. Who the heck are you referring too?

[jennielynn1970]

I was wondering that myself. I know I've never passed off myself as devoutly religous, in any way, so just wondering who she's talking about.

I don't think anyone here is "endorsing" violence, but there are some of us who can see why each side is acting the way they do, or feels they way they feel.

No one is endorsing the violence, or saying any kind of radical violence is correct.

[caseysmom]

I would never speak for Sophie, (couldn't be so eloquent even if I tried) but I suspect she is speaking of references of the Bible and the Jews entitlement to the area.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, I don't claim to be "devoutly" religious though I do talk to God several times a day. I'm the last one to want to turn guns on anyone. I want all guns banned, (and weapons for that matter) even for armies. Heck! Let countries just throw rocks at each other.

[caseysmom]

Well, I don't claim to be "devoutly" religious though I do talk to God several times a day. I'm the last one to want to turn guns on anyone. I want all guns banned, (and weapons for that matter) even for armies. Heck! Let countries just throw rocks at each other.

Thats not a bad idea....

[Cinder & Smoke]

Heck! Let countries just throw rocks at each other.

I think that's where this *war* thing started ...

The Cave Guys used to toss rocks to hunt ...
Then the knife ...
Then the knife onna pole (aka the Spear)
Developed into the BOW an Arrow ...
How bout an Arrow inna tube = the Blow Gun.
GUN??? What a neet idea!

Things have been goin downhill from there.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Well, I don't claim to be "devoutly" religious though I do talk to God several times a day. I'm the last one to want to turn guns on anyone. I want all guns banned, (and weapons for that matter) even for armies. Heck! Let countries just throw rocks at each other.

A double amen to you MOFF!!

[RICHARD]

Richard's Rule of Life #5.


WHen you act stupidly, be prepared to be treated stupidly.

e.g.?
Launch a rocket at your neighbor's house. Be prepared to be treated the same way.


MOFF!

Don't get on my side by advocating rock throwing. The next thing you know is all the American baseball players will get drafted and play in Israel.


C&S....

You forgot the first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.

The Boomerang!

[Cinder & Smoke]

You forgot the first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.

The Boomerang!

Yeah, but summa our "better ideas" didn't always work out so good ...

If ya *miss* wiffa Boomerang ... it turns around and chases YOUR @$$!

And then the Castle Dwellers tried the Burning Oil from atop the parapets ...
Often shoo'd away the Bad Guys, till sumbuddy *spilled* a little on the
INside of the walls ... and then the wood & stone house burned down!
NUTZ!

Sumtymes NUNbuddy *wins* in war!
Wunna these daze we outta LEARN that!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sumtymes NUNbuddy *wins* in war!
Wunna these daze we outta LEARN that!

Sumtymes? Howz bout NUN tymes?

[Cinder & Smoke]

Sumtymes NUNbuddy *wins* in war!
Wunna these daze we outta LEARN that!

Sumtymes?
Howz bout NUN tymes?

But that's one of the 'lessons' nobody ever seems to learn.
Each side figgers ONE more shot, ONE more battle ... and the 'Other Guy'
is gonna give up and WE *WIN*!

Wonder if anyone would get hurt flippin coins to settle disputes?
Best outta Three, anyone?

And no *sharp* coins, please!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Paper, scissor, rock perhaps?