Sep. 11th Picture!

[Karen]

Ann, I allowed this thread to continue because the discussion had veered toward simple discussion, but your tone has become argumentative and dismissive of others.

To everyone:

This is Pet Talk! This is NOT the place to debate religion or to prove or disprove the existence of God.

Please, everyone, if you want to debate religion, do not do it here. Do it in emails, do it at another discussion board, but every time this subject gets brought up, emotions flare and bad feelings result.

All this started with just a simple "do you think this is a real picture?"

[pupper-lover]

Although, I don't think the angel or devil pictures are real, they were fun to look at. Thanks for posting them

[Rottieluver45]

I`m sorry for posting the pictures everyone!This got WAY too out of hand!

[zippy-kat]

Originally posted by Ann
zippy-kat:
I'd be interested in hearing your personal experiences.

I am willing to share Ann. But let's conduct it via email, ok?
You can email me at [email protected]

[jackiesdaisy1935]

THANK YOU KAREN
Jackie

[gini]

This has been bugging me for a few days now, so I may as well have my say.

Why did you come to this site? PET OF THE DAY!

Many of the thousands of members here have gotten to know each other very well. How did we accomplish that? Because, we talked about our PETS! We know what kind of animal(s) you have and we respond to each other's questions about health, food, medications, behavior problems and on and on.

Most of us are here because we love our pets dearly and we have fun sharing our stories, but jump when a question arises and we can help.

Some of you and let me repeat SOME, never talk about their pets, but they if there is a controversial subject you are on it like a fly.

This isn't what this site is all about. Surely there are many sites that will encourage unlimited discussions about religion, politics and any other subject that you might like to partipate in. Why did you pick PET TALK to vent your opinions?

I for one, am sick to death of hearing how we only make nice nice here...........and we can't stand controversy.

Please, go find a site that just loves controversy and devote your time and attention there. We, here at Pet Talk would like to get back to the whole point of this site. PETS!

[Andie]

From the sudden tone that this thread has taken, I have a feeling that it's about to be shut down. Just wanted to say that I enjoyed hearing everyone's viewpoints and if anyone would like to continue this discussion with me my e-mail is : [email protected] (there are underscores in there Senior_eagle_2001). Feel free to e-mail me! I'm sorry that this thread has upset some of you so much that it's in danger of being shut down.

I`m sorry for posting the pictures everyone!This got WAY too out of hand!

Don't be sorry. You didn't know.


Gini:

I did come here for my pets and I do talk about them and throw out my suggestions when asked. With that being said, it was nice to talk about something other than them. I love my babies dearly but after a while I've said all I can about them. I thought this board was about commuication as well as pets. Can we not have one conversation that doesn't revolve around our pets. Sorry if you find this rude or otherwise but I had to state my opinion.

[Karen]

Converse yes, fight, no! Other > General has lots of discussions about other things than pets!

But mainly, Pet Talk is about pets. It is what we all have in common, and why we are here, as part of this community!

[Former User]

There's another cat site that allows to talk about everything between heaven and earth, the address is available when you click here


you can also email me at [email protected] if you feel like it.

[Andie]

Is it a fight or difference in opinion? Because I personally think it all is a difference in opinion. I'm sure no one on here is trying to hurt each others feelings but when you believe something as strongly as most do religion sometimes you feel like you are being attacked when you really aren't. That's just what I think, I could be wrong. (It's been know to happen. LOL)

[Dixieland Dancer]

[I love my babies dearly but after a while I've said all I can about them. [/B][/QUOTE]

I can go on and on and on and on and on and on..... ok... I guess you get the message. But I never tire of talking about Dixie or Dusty. Just today I had them on the phone with daddy and they were barking and getting so excited to here his voice. It was the greatest thing!! I am so glad their daddy loves them as much as me!!!! Now if I could only get him to use the pooper scooper! LOL

[Andie]

Originally posted by Dixieland Dancer
[I love my babies dearly but after a while I've said all I can about them.

I can go on and on and on and on and on and on..... ok... I guess you get the message. But I never tire of talking about Dixie or Dusty. Just today I had them on the phone with daddy and they were barking and getting so excited to here his voice. It was the greatest thing!! I am so glad their daddy loves them as much as me!!!! Now if I could only get him to use the pooper scooper! LOL [/B][/QUOTE]


Ok, ok so you caught me I can do the same but it was nice to talk about something else. BTW i think it's just a male thing when it comes to not using the pooper scooper. LOL MEN!

[Pam]

Let me just say that I don't think anyone here has a closed mind. I think what we are trying to say is that some things are better done by PM than by expressing ourselves publicly on this board and possibly upsetting the others. It is hard to express oneself via e-mail or public boards. Body language, etc. is not seen. The written word has no voice inflections, try as we might to add emoticons. I think that when we stray too far from pet-related topics we get into trouble here, and that is not what Karen and Paul had in mind when they created Pet Talk (please correct me if I am wrong.) I would suggest PMing those who you would like to discuss things with or searching for a religious or political site that might provide a stimulating discussion. I am not "mad" at anyone. I just wish these discussions could take place elsewhere. Hope you understand....

[Ann]

Karen, I'm sorry you feel that way. But let me ask you this... You made it out like your main reason that you don't want this thread to go on is because it doesn't fit in with Pet Talk since it's not about pets, but when 9/11 comes around and people post their memorials and so on here saying things like "God bless the USA and all the souls of the people who died", will you say the same thing then? I honestly don't think you would even CONSIDER anything like that, and that's the only reasons why I started all this crap in the first place; because I thought it was unfair that as long as it was the non-pet related, God-loving, patriotic stuff it was ok, but when it's the non-pet related controversial stuff it's NOT ok. Get my point? That's ALL I ever tried to do with this all and I'm sorry you can't see that. And before someone jumps on me and says that I am being insensitive about 9/11, it was just an EXAMPLE. I too think what happened was terrible, the way I always feel when lives are lost.

zippy-kat (and Andie), will do I look forward hearing from you!

gini (and Pam), I partly agree with Andie here; I too think it's nice to have an discussion that's not related to pets once in a while. However, I too can go on and on and on about them LOL. And you know, I used to go to another forum that had more "deeper" thoughts. However, that site was the complete opposite of Pet Talk because it welcomed religious and politic threads, but it wasn't too fond of pet related topics. I guess I was just hoping that I one day could find one site that would embrace EVERYTHING I enjoyed talking about. Oh well... Pet Talk is obviously not suited for that and the other site I spoke about... Well, it was closed down by the USA government for it's political views.

Niina, you know I've been at that site before. I'll try to drop by again soon! Thanks for reminding me!

popcornbird, that's too bad, I was hoping to hear your responses to some of the things I sad. Oh well... I have one question to you though! Well two actually come to think of it... I had a best friend a long time ago who was muslim, and she always spelled it "Kuran" instead of "Quran". Is it just a Swedish and English way of spelling it or was she wrong somehow? And secondly you said that it is the pure word of your God, never altered or anything... But what about translations? They must obviously have been altered and KNOW it has been translated into other languages...

[shais_mom]

Ann, I am so sorry you had all those losses. Truly I am. But I cannot understand how you blame God for all of them. God is our Father, and like any loving parent lets us make mistakes and choices, b/c of free will. Of course I am not saying that your relatives chose to pass on, so please don't think that is what I am saying. But free will is what happened on Sept 11, and in Oklahoma City, and all other times that terrorism has hit us and other tragedys.

My grandpa had Parkinson's disease, had a massive stroke, while my grandma was away with my parents b/n Christmas and New Years of 1999. And he died the day before our Family Christmas of 2000. He survived almost 11 mos. We never got to say goodbye either. But I don't blame God, my grandpa was a devout Christian, and he ended up where he wanted to be. It didn't make my family turn away from God, it turned us to him and each other. Our Pastor stated at church, that "This family will be ok, they will pull together and support one another." I always think of that, I think that is an awesome compliment.
My beloved greyhound that is my heart dog, and dog of a lifetime, crossed to the bridge on Sept 13, 2001. 2 days after Sept 11. I was devasted, I felt like I couldn't function or go on without her.. But what got me thru was knowing that God took her home to be with all those people that died on Sept 11. She was there with them so the children could play with her since they didn't have their doggies anymore. Not that I didn't need her, but there were many more that needed her more than I did.
Since I am confessing to you, I will also confess this story too:
My faith got shaken deeply about a year and half ago. A friend at work who had had a miscarriage, was pregnant again. She and her husband did everything right, ultrasounds, prenatal care, etc. Then she went into labor 3 mos early and had the baby, the doctors decided to life flight the baby to a Children's hospital, by the time her parents got there the baby was the baby was gone. They had a funeral for her, and from what people told me, I couldn't go, is it was the tiniest casket they had ever seen. She was only about 5 lbs. And the sobs from the father carrying the casket, made everyone break out into goosebumps and cry themselves.
During that time at work, we had
- a nurse's aid's son got hit by a hit and run driver on his scooter, hit him so hard it knocked him out of his shoes
- another nurse's sister was found dead mysteriously, they think her husband had something to do with it
- a doctor's son committed suicide
We felt we had a black cloud over us. I even made the comment to someone that "my faith in God,is shaken". And someone told me, it should make it stronger, and I went to church and it did. I am not a good churchgoer, much to my mother's dismay, so I am not going to even go there with you, I can't suggest to you something I don't do myself.

I do hope you listen to Tonya and others with an open mind. I am not saying you will have been reborn or anything. I just hope you realize that our God IS A LOVING GOD. And an awesome God.
Good day!

My friends that lost the baby, had another baby girl, 3 mos early, I asked for prayer for her in March I believe, and she is doing beautifully. I saw her yesterday and she is a happy 7 mos old that is absolutley adorable!!!


(I will be gone for a week, so don't be offended if I don't respond!)