Pregnant Scottish Terrier

[Pam]

I have a female Black and Brindle Scottish Terrier. She will come into her second heat cycle soon and i was hoping i could find a stud to breed her. I am either looking for a purebred Scottish Terrier any color, or any color Toy Poodle. Nena is 20lbs and very healthy, she has her Pedigree but no AKC. I am NOT looking for the perfect dog must be healthy but does not need Pedigree or AKC papers. This puppies will stay in the family. I am either looking to pay $150 or under or pick of litter. I am located in Naples, FL and willing to travel to cities close. Please email me with your dog's info and picture if possible, thanks.ggghhhh...disgusting!!!

Sounds like Backyard Breeding to me!!

The above statement, apparently by you, and posted by critter crazy speaks for itself. Looks like this breeding was pretty intentional. My pet peeve especially is any dog with *poo* tacked on the end.

[crow_noir]

Ugggh!!! See, this is the attitude right here that i find disgusting! Would you suggest the same thing to a human mother that hasn't even had one child yet?

I can see if this dog had been mated by something twice its size getting an abortion, but not for something like this.

These pups are on the way whether you like it or not, let's at least be civil with this poster and give as much advice as we can for a HEALTHY mom and litter.

You should be getting this poor dog in for an abort and spay before it is too late.

[crow_noir]

It is NOT pathetic. A lot of times these dogs come to these rescues in very poor condition and need a lot of vet care. Not to mention the time they spend in the care of the rescue. There's the cost of food. The cost of gas if the rescues do adoption day events.

You may spend a very low price for a shelter dog, but you spend just as much, if not more in vets costs.

Down here in my city i was looking at Petfinder once and one no kill shelter adopts out dogs for $250 if there purebred and they even give you papers that owner left for more charge which is pathetic! They even wanted $250 for a Puggle and added him under the purebred list. Are you kidding me? That seriously got me mad, how they compare purebreds to mutts in a shelter and charge more. While the kill shelters charges $55 for ALL dogs and they need the money even more.

[crow_noir]

Sadly some rescues get hopped up on some ego trip and don't look far enough into the situations. They become blind to the reality of the world. They don't budge for anything. They don't realize how much harm they do by being overprotective. They forget that sometimes they have to let go.

On the opposite end of that... perhaps that particular dog really really really needed a fully fenced in yard. Some personalities are like that. Those people may have seemed like the best choice at the time.

I've been on both sides of the fence. I was denied an adoption because i was younger than they thought i was in our conversations (yet I met their age requirement according to their rules.) And I'm also involved in the rescue circuit. I've seen the ups and downs in both.

You aparently dont get it do you? Before getting Nena i moved the eath to try to adopt and NO just because one side on my home was NOT fenced the dogs where given to someone else who i then saw adopting them out again because she was moving. If the dogs would of come home with me right now and forever will still be with me!

[ScottieMommy]

Thanks everyone for pointing all that out. I agree with everything, yes about the shelter too.

And one MORE time as for the ADD can someone PLEASE stop posting it? I am SURE we have covered that if not go back and real the WHOLE thread if you did not, thanks.

By the way when i said something about the abortion in some other forums and compare them with a child people went nuts on me! Dont we always say animals are like humans? I said you would NOT abort a child if you did not have money to care for yourself or you do not have the time to love that child. Because there are wonderful people who cant have children and thanks to those who dont abort their dream comes true. Why? Why do we think we can do this to a dog? Because she CANT talk and is smaller than us? I am sure she has a heart, she can feel her mother instincts by now. I would never do such thing UNLESS her life was really on the edge.

[Kfamr]

Because thousands of children don't die in our country on a daily basis because there are no homes for them.

However, because there are people who think little Fifi would make a great momma, and so and so wants a puppy - there are thousands of completely sound, healthy puppies dying in the shelter daily. Because some shelters are so overrun they don't have the means to do it humanely, either.

Just because YOUR puppies won't go to the shelter doesn't stop the other puppies already in the shelter from dying. It's all about "Help control the pet population; have your pet spayed or neutered."

[Alysser]

Crow_Noir, comparing dogs and comparing children is like comparing apples to oranges. When kids are put to sleep by the millions each year, then you can bring them into the picture. I am not trying to be rude, and perhaps in someone else's case I have failed to do that, but honestly one thing I can't stand is when kids are brought into the picture of the unwanted pet population and breeding.

[ScottieMommy]

Ok so if shelters are SO stickt then where should i go to adopt a dog? If you want the dog overpopulation to shop then find a way to shut down PUPPYMILLS where they have over 150 dogs breeding over and over a day and having litters every single day! And you worry about me? For having ONE litter of TWO puppies and then getting her spayed? You aparently have NOT seen how they offer dogs in auctions at 60 days pregnant or so to make more money, THATS CRUELTY. My dog is in inside dog, gets everything she needs, vet care is always at hand and she will get spayed and so will her puppies. Whats done is done and i am not going back. But you can be darn sure these puppies will be loved and cared for. They where unplanned NOT unloved.

[Ginger's Mom]

If you want the dog overpopulation to shop then find a way to shut down PUPPYMILLS where they have over 150 dogs breeding over and over a day and having litters every single day! And you worry about me? For having ONE litter of TWO puppies and then getting her spayed?

Are you suggesting that because someone has produced 150 poorly bred puppies, that it is not bad to produce two poorly bred puppies? I am not sure I agree with that philosophy anymore than I would agree that it is alright to abuse only one dog as long as you don't abuse 150. It is not alright to produce puppies that are not planned, tested, and have potential homes. Have you found out definitively how many puppies she is carrying? What are your plans if she has six puppies? Are financial able to keep them all?
Unfortunately no matter what the people say here, we are never going to stamp out irresponsible dog ownership. But it would be wrong to condone it. You should have had your dog spayed for many reasons. You didn't. You should have been responsible for your dog when she was in heat. You weren't. If you are a true dog lover you should be an advocate for dogs that are unwanted and suffering, not ignore them so that you can produce cute little puppies. I am not sure why you are finding it necessary to convince us that what you are doing, and apparently have been planning to do, is a good thing. It is not.

[RedyreRotties]

http://www.pawsoftulsa.org/spaytosave/just1litter.htm

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/justonelitter.html

From http://www.fmhs.org/sn/why.asp

Simple arithmetic illustrates how "just one litter" contributes to the mass killing: Two dogs breed. Six offspring are born. The six offspring reproduce within one year, and are responsible for six offspring each. In one year a litter of six can become 36. And unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. At the end of ten years just one unaltered dog can be responsible for 4,372 births. One unaltered cat can be responsible for 420,000 kittens in just seven years!

[Catlady711]

ScottyMom - I think one of the issues people are having with you, that you have failed to realize, is your inconsistency.

In several posts on other forums you've made, you were looking for any male to breed your dog with because your dog was going to be coming into heat 'soon'. To people on this board that suggests that you hadn't done your homework on breeding months, or even a year or more ahead of time which reputable breeders do.

In other posts here you said this breeding was 'accidental' and claimed you were not a breeder. To people on this board that either suggests that you are changing your story or at the least you have been very irrisponsible with your dog in heat to allow an intact male dog near her at anytime.

Many people on this board go to great lengths to foster, rescue, and spend many hours donating their time at local shelters and encouraging spay/neuter clinics to help fight the overpopulation problem. You say the thing is to shut down the puppymills, many of the people here are trying to do just that, but that is only part of the problem. As long as there are thousands if not millions of BYB's the problem will continue even if every puppymill were shut down already.

The fact your dog may/man not be pregnant is not what angers people on this board, the fact you've posted ads wanting to irrisponsibly breed her, and the fact you are not a knowledgable breeder, and you have an inconsistent story is what does anger people on this board.

You said you had looked on petfinder 'once' for puppies, many times there are new puppies posted weekly, you should have kept checking back if you were truely interested in rescuing one.

If you were turned down at 'one' place for adoption you could have tried several other places to adopt from if you were truely interested. If renting was a problem for them you could have done the legwork by getting a written statement from your landlord telling them how you take care of your pets, as well as a letter from your veterinarian stating that you do provide proper vet care to the dog you already have. I'm sure a good shelter would see that as a sign of a responsible pet owner. Of course around here our shelters call the vet references and check to see if the current pets are already spayed/neutered, and the fact your dog is not may have had a HUGE impact on them not adopting to you, have you considered that fact?

You've stated that your grandmother was not looking for a puppy at the moment, however she would take one if your dog had puppies. Has it occured to you that if she really wanted a puppy so badly she also would have went to great lengths to adopt one herself? Or that possibly she's just taking one of your pups just out of charity rather than a great desire to have a puppy? Does she realize even if she had one of your dog's puppies that it would not be just like the dog you have, since every puppy is unique in personality?

You said this breeding was 'accidental' because 'someone told you' they couldn't get pregnant that soon after going into a heat cycle. Had it occured to you to call your vet or speak to a reputable breeder to find out for sure before your dog went into heat? Everyday at work people come in and spend money that they wouldn't have had to spend if they had just called our office first for advice instead of thinking that their friends or neighbors knew more about pets than the vet who took years of college classes to get a degree.

People on this board are not trying to be rude to you, they are reacting to your apparent lack of knowledge concerning a dog in heat, pregnancy and the inconsistencies in your story. Whether you take it as rude, they ARE trying to educate you so that this does not happen again, and that you might be able to pass that knowledge on to others to stop back yard breeding.

I don't know what you were looking for when you posted to this board. From what it appears to me is that:

1) You have no clue what to be feeding your dog despite your vet apparently telling you to continue feeding as you had been.

2) You post pictures of your dog asking the board to tell you if they think she's pregnant, which none of us can do, despite already having asked your vet that question.

If you're looking for congratulations for your dog possibly being pregnant, you'd be further ahead to just stick with your own friends and family for that, this board will likely not give you any pats on the back for it.

If you're looking for medical advice as to whether your dog is pregnant you'd be further ahead to make an appointment with your vet and have the x-ray done at 50-55 days which IS the custom to acurately count puppies.

Rather than getting angry at everyone here because they don't say what you want to hear, and I'm not really sure what it is you do want to hear, maybe you should just try starting a new thread and being specific in what questions you actually do have and really listen to the advice people have for you.

[sasvermont]

You said what I was thinking. This person is performing in front of the wrong audience, for sure.

Thanks for saying it in detail, tactfully, and truthfully.

I had Scotties when I was a kid. I loved them so. We never bred them, just loved them to pieces. They do come with their built in issues, like many breeds. I feel sorry for this pup. I trust she is loved.

I hope this person sees the light soon.

[ScottieMommy]

Ok so aparently you CANT get anyone's help anywhere i see. Leaving it all behind. Why when people ask a question you respond with another one?

If you are trying to make ME abort the litter that WONT happen so save your words. She will have them unless her life is on the edge like i said.

[inlovewithanimals]

Im sorry but I think most of you people on here with the attitudes are pathetic!!! It's her dog and if she wants to breed her thats her buisness! my parents have breed our dog and the last littler i posted on here and I got nothing but mean and hurtfull comments and the puppy she had was a still born! But when someone comes on here and asks for advice and they get nothing but attitude that is perty sad and pathetic!

and as for advice I go to dctor william trusdale and he recomended givin my dog little bits rasberry leaf tea mixed in with her food just the leaf's though and if shes in labor and nothing happens within 24 hours i'd get her to the vet o and Uhm I would get a whelping box towels and a heating pad. and if she has a hard time produceing milk doctor trusdale recomended yogurt for her well I hope I was some help. and I'd like to apoligize for all of the rude irigent people on Pet Talk good luck with your pups! hope you keep us updated and share picures!

Justin and the loved pets.

[critter crazy]

Ok so aparently you CANT get anyone's help anywhere i see. Leaving it all behind. Why when people ask a question you respond with another one?

If you are trying to make ME abort the litter that WONT happen so save your words. She will have them unless her life is on the edge like i said.

You cant help, those who dont want to be helped! Everyone has voiced their opinions, you just dont like what they have said. We have tried!!

I am not sure what help you are looking for anyways?? people have told you the best ways to care for your dog, while pregnant. what more do you need??

I your first post, you asked what we thought in reguards to your dog possibly being prgnant- we cannot tell from pics, you need to get an ultra sound, simple.

In your second post, you asked if you were feding her too much- you need to feed your dog a proper diet, which does not include people food. this is in no way good for any dog, let alone a pregnant one.

You also raised concerns reguarding her vomiting and Diarhea- This could be caused by the change in food, the added human food, or many numerous things. If she is still vommiting and having diarhea i would take her to the vets to get checked out.

as far as I can tell, all your questions thus far has been answered. Not sure what else you are looking for?

as far as peole asking questions, while you are looking for answers, well sometimes we need more info to give you the correct answers.

is there anything I have missed??