News Flash!

[Jadapit]

Me again, for some reason the link to the humane society wont work. Let me try it again.http://www.roicehursthumanesociety.c...%20clinics.htm

I hope it works this time. If it doesnt I will give you their phone #.
Let me know if you want it.

[Dixieland Dancer]

From a reputable breeder standpoint.....Please spay or neuter these puppies ASAP. Breeding dogs takes a lot of research to make sure genetic disorders, temperment and overall breed standards are met. Health clearances are mandatory. If you can not provide any of this, then you should NOT breed and yes....I would consider you a backyard breeder in it strictly for the money!!

Unfortunately, your Anya died of a very serious disease. However at 5 months she should of had the proper shots to prevent this deadly disease from killing her. If you can't afford to get the dogs shots, you can't afford to breed them.

I have a very close friend who is also a reputable breeder. She spent a lot of money making sure everything was done correctly. Unfortunately, her female died after an emergency C-section was done to deliver the pups when complications arose. She was now faced with 9 pups without a mom to feed them. The time and money she was faced with to help those pups survive was staggering. While this is not normal, it is a possiblity. Any reputable breeder doesn't consider the cost though. They consider the well being of the pups. Again, please spay or neuter these pups ASAP as I do not feel from your posts that you are capable of providing the expense to make sure the breeding is done correctly let alone the fact that these pups are not pure bred to start with!

[Bigyummydog]

hi, i'm barbra...i'm sure everyone wasn't trying to be mean...just trying desperately to get a very important point across... i've learned these people(myself included) are very passionate about their beloved pets, and about others....their reactions are for your benefit....most of these people are very well informed...i've learned sooo much from them...i too am worried about your little pitties...so many pit bulls are abused just because they are pit bulls...and don't give up PET TALK it really is an informative site and sooo much fun...

[LKPike]

I knew this would turn this way from Accord's very first posts. Even though these are her first times posting here.

But I can't help to say, I wonder how many people who "ganged up" on me, when I mentioned breeding Jillian someday, would be willing to apologize today. I was new too when that whole fight started, no one really knew me and I was called a byb, people from another board followed me onto this board just to continue the fight in my "They called me a byb!" post when I refused to respond to such immaturity on their board. However I decided to stay here because I know what I am, and what I am not. It was my decision to include all of you in our struggles with Jillian's epilepsy the day we found out, how close I was to a breakdown while watching my beautiful puppy flopping around on the floor. I'm sure most of you have read about the money we spent on emergency vets, 2 regular vets, hospital stays, her spay, complications from her spay, etc. So I was just wondering how many who were calling me a quote, "hopeless pathetic byb" and "Gawd help those puppies" at first, would apologize for that after actually getting to know me?

I'm in no way supporting Accord, in my opinion this IS an actual byb situation.

Sorry for thread stealing , but this brought up 'memories'.

[finn's mom]

Originally posted by LKPike
However I decided to stay here because I know what I am, and what I am not........So I was just wondering how many who were calling me a quote, "hopeless pathetic byb" and "Gawd help those puppies" at first, would apologize for that after actually getting to know me?

Well, I'm glad you stuck around, and, I hope that Accord does as well. Because no one is going to learn anything about anything if they're run off. As long as people are willing to educate and not get so emotionally involved as to come across as ugly, Accord could actually benefit from this site. I hope the puppies are safe. That's all I really want to say.

[Accord]

Originally posted by Dixieland Dancer
From a reputable breeder standpoint.....Please spay or neuter these puppies ASAP. Breeding dogs takes a lot of research to make sure genetic disorders, temperment and overall breed standards are met. Health clearances are mandatory. If you can not provide any of this, then you should NOT breed and yes....I would consider you a backyard breeder in it strictly for the money!!

Unfortunately, your Anya died of a very serious disease. However at 5 months she should of had the proper shots to prevent this deadly disease from killing her. If you can't afford to get the dogs shots, you can't afford to breed them.

I have a very close friend who is also a reputable breeder. She spent a lot of money making sure everything was done correctly. Unfortunately, her female died after an emergency C-section was done to deliver the pups when complications arose. She was now faced with 9 pups without a mom to feed them. The time and money she was faced with to help those pups survive was staggering. While this is not normal, it is a possiblity. Any reputable breeder doesn't consider the cost though. They consider the well being of the pups. Again, please spay or neuter these pups ASAP as I do not feel from your posts that you are capable of providing the expense to make sure the breeding is done correctly let alone the fact that these pups are not pure bred to start with!

Excuse me? I wasnt the one who was responsible for the shots for Anya. Why dont you blame the owner that BREEd her in her damn back yard? huh? Anya is not a purebred. Trust me.

Fine for your information I wont breed my pits then. happy?

If you guys want to gang up on me. Fine Ill bail. Cause I will not accept this bs on me. THIS IS JOHNNY'S DOG THAT DIED SO DONT JUMP THE HELL ON ME! DONT PUT ME AS A VICTIM OF SOMETHING I DID NOT DO. JOHNNY WAS THE ONE WHO SUFFERED WORSE THEN I DID. NONE OF YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. IF I DID MY BEST TO TAKE CARE OF HER, PLUS 6 PUPPIES AND A DAUGHTER. WHILE JOHNNY IS WORKING. CMON NOW!
WHY ARE YOU JUDGING ME? I PROVIDED THEM A ROOF OVER THIEIR HEAD, I PROVIDED THEM LOVE, I DID THE BEST I COULD. AND LET IT BE.

IF THEY GET PREGNANT ON THEIR OWN AND WE DONT KNOW, YOU CAN'T BLAME ME FOR THAT BECAUSE I DONT HEAR WHATS GOING ON AROUND MY HOUSE CAUSE I CAN'T HEAR. MOST OF THESE PUPPIES ARE MY HUSBANDS. I HAVE 1 GIRL PUPPY. SO WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? I HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAS 3 PITBULLS AND BOTH ARE BROTHER AND SISTER. SHE BREEDS THEM CAREFULLY AND SELLS THEM TO THE RIGHT PROPER HOME, AND THE RIGHT PERSON WHO KNOWS HOW TO SHOW THEM LOVE. JUST LIKE I DID. I HAVE 5 PITBULLS IN THE HOUSE. AND THEY ARE LOVED, AND HAS THEIR SHOTS. NOW THE ONES THAT ARE SOLD IS NOT MY DECISSION TO SPAY THEM OR NOT. IF THE BUYER WANTS THEM SPAYED, THATS FINE. THEY PAY FOR IT. IF THEY DONT. THEN DONT HARRASS ME FOR IT. CAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO DISAGREE. ONCE ITS BROUGHT, IS "AS IS" THE BUYER CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. MOST PEOPLE WILL SEE THEM FOR HIGH PRICES. AND I WONT BECAUSE IM NICER THEN THAT.

Now no more drama. Let them go. I dont need some mean people jumping on me because Im new here.

The puppies had their vet checked today and I GOT LUCKY. How? There is a place called Banfield and they do free exames and I ask them if they could bill me monthly for the check ups. And they said it was fine. So they did the test results and I got a call from them saying that all puppies are FINE. But they are redoing the test to be sure. So Now you can't do anything.
If they passed the parvo virus test by negative, then they are all good. So obviously they did. and im glad, so now they have their first shots. Im happy. So should you guys.

Im sorry for the yellin but I dont like to be critized because Im different from others and I take it MORE seriously then others do. Becuase most people will discrimiate deaf people, and I have suffered from that. So Im gettin serious on this. So dont say the wrong word or you will get jumped back just like this. I dont like to be called anything. Please dont push your limits.

Im still new, and I dont need this after Anya has passed away. Dont make me suffer more.

I was being lied to by the backyard breeder of Anya. So why dont you guys jump on her for it? I shouldn't be blamed for it. Johnny's mom was the one that got her for 250 bucks as a PUREBREED... Then later mom's friend that worked at the bank took her puppy to the vet and said it WAS NOT A PUREBREED! And had no vaccine as proven on the computer. So why dont you guys call someone else a backyard breeder of Anya? I didn't do anything. So hell no shes not going to be bred cause I have changed my mind... and f*ck no the pitbulls are not getting bred.

Bye

[caseysmom]

Oh good lord because your deaf you won't take responsibility for your dogs breeding? I think we have all heard enough, is this a joke?

[LKPike]

aaaand you accussed these nice people that *are* Pet Talk, of cursing and swearing at... YOU? mmmhhmmm.....

[luckies4me]

Heh, don't really know what to say. So as long as the puppies are sold and you get the money you could care less what their new owners do to them? VERY responsible.

[bckrazy]

I feel so bad for all of the dogs involved SO bad

[Dixieland Dancer]

Originally posted by Accord
IF THEY GET PREGNANT ON THEIR OWN AND WE DONT KNOW, YOU CAN'T BLAME ME FOR THAT BECAUSE I DONT HEAR WHATS GOING ON AROUND MY HOUSE CAUSE I CAN'T HEAR.

First, let me apologize for coming on harsh. I was reacting to the point that you said you were going to breed your girl when she turned a year old.

Second, your quote above is cause for disagreement because if they are neutered or spayed, they can not get pregnant. Being a responsible pet owner means you should do all you can to prevent "accidents" from happening. Females should be fixed before their first heat cycle which can occur as early as 6 months although it is more common to happen around 7 to 9 months. Males should be neutered no later than 6 months. If you take these precautions, you will not have to worry about not being able to see or hear what is going on.

I am glad you made the decision not to breed. I hope you stay around Pet Talk long enough to realize everyone here is not ganging up on you but trying to educate you to the problems of dog over population and too many furry friends being abused or uthinized in shelters because of lack of responsible pet ownership. You are showing a very responsible side by making the decision to spay and neuter the pups or to ensure whoever gets them does.

[finn's mom]

Goodness.

[PJ's Mom]

Wow.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Sorry to post to this thread and maybe it's none of my business but I can't help it.
Accord: First of all, no one here is trying to penalize you for being deaf. You keep bringing this up as a reason why everyone is responding to you the way that they are. After I read and re-read this thread over and over, I have concluded that you're missing the point of the entire matter. Please slow down and re-read what you have written. Your description of what has and is happening tells a certain story. Go back and carefully read what you have already said. Please understand that the people here at Pet Talk are the cream of the crop of responsible pet owners. They only have the welfare of your dogs at heart. Can you not see this? No one is blaming you for anything. Everyone is merely suggesting that you might want to make some better choices in the future. We all love animals and only want the best for them. What could be wrong with this concept? Now you've gotten yourself angry and upset but you still don't seem to know why. You've done the right thing by getting the puppies checked out so please calm down and use this forum for the help that it can provide. Terry

[wolfsoul]

I wasn't calling you a BYB for breeding the pitbulls, and I never said you had bred Anya. I called you one because you wanted to breed her even though she's a mutt with a bad background, she isn't health certified, pedigreed, titled, etc. I think that's whaty most people were thinking, though it seems they may have gotten confused due to all of the dogs involved. I'm glad to hear that the puppies aren't sick -- it probably wasn't parvo that took Anya then. That's a good thing because parvo has the tendency to follow you around. I am not jumping on you ebcause you are new here -- if anyone came on here and said that they had wanted to breed their dog, I would be angry and feel a need to explain why, even thought the dog is no longer alive. One reason because a BYB doesn't usually just do it once, nor do they get the idea of doing it and it just goes away. Unless they are properly educated they might continue wanting to breed.

Please, if you want to breed dogs, do it properly...Breed purebred dogs that come from reputable breeders. They should be health certified for whatever problems might be in the breed (Pennhipp, OFA, OVC, CERF, BAER, etc). They should have pedigrees so you know what lines might compliment another and how closely related the male and female are. They should be involved in some activity (herding, agility, conformation, schutzhund, etc). And many MANY other things that define reputable breeding. Of course due to your money problems, you couldn't do this for a really long time, because breeding is very expensive. So please, if you ever get another unaltered dog, do not breed it. There's alot of heartache involved when you don't do it properly --- Or, as Dixieland Dancer already explained -- sometimes when you DO do it properly.

I am not trying to gang up on you or be mean. I'm only concerned about the amount of dogs dying everyday because of people who think it's great to let their dog have a litter when they have no idea.

I also think the puppies should be spayed. It doesn't matter if you can't hear (though that confuses me, as you already said in another post that you can hear with a hearing aid), it is YOUR responsibility. Everyone has some sort of disability -- they are still responsible for what goes on around them. If you choose not to alter the pups then they should be seperated at all times. Keep diapers on them atleast. If you can't afford proper dog care then you can't afford to get blood stains out of your carpet and urine stains off of everything the male marks.

If you go to your SPCA and show them proof of your yearly income, they will spay and neuter them for free. I'm sure you can afford free.