Can this really be true?

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
Sorry to again disagree.....

If the driver abuses the bus....it breaks down....

A bus is built to take abuse.....

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I just asked someone the average cost of running one operating room for one hour....

He didn't have an answer, but he did use this example......................

A defibrillator/pacemaker can cost about 28,000 dollars to put in....

[Cataholic]

For those of you that felt it necessary to comment about the nature of the hospitalization- shame on you.

Healthcare should be an affordable RIGHT not dependant on circumstances. Whether the two were married, single, gay, etc, not only did they suffer a very tragic experience, but, then they have people judging them, to top it all.

What their relationship to each other is/was has NOTHING to do with health insurance. I was somewhat surprised to see it even referenced in the opening post.

I suppose if the miscarriage was the result of an act of violence the victim should really just follow up with the person that perpetrated the crime?

Yes, I am somewhat sore about all this crap. The 'illegitimate kids', the children out of 'wedlock', and now this. Funny, as one of the people that felt it necessary to expel her ideas of morality on me has JUST indicated by her post here that she ain't so 'moral' herself. Go figure.

I can't wait until I have walked a mile in everyone's shoes to start telling you all how I feel about YOUR lifestyles. It might take me awhile.

Johanna

[Edwina's Secretary]

Respectfully Cataholic....I couldn't care less about their marital status... my problem is with people having things....whether it should be children or anything else...that they cannot take care of and then expect others to do it or pay for it.

I agree with you about affordable health care. But I also think people should think ahead and take responsibility.

I read in today's paper...a woman wrote in that her son had been suspended from school for visiting an "inappropriate" web site and wasn't it really the school's fault for not supervising him better.

Actions has consequences and those consequences are my responsibility.

[Cataholic]

ES- you are correct, people **should** take responsibility, and that includes being able to pay their way in this world. I do wonder, though, if that was the nature of the comments posted in this thread.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I can assure you it was the nature of mine...

[Cataholic]

VERY lovely pm I just received from one of our NEWEST members...

nice, very well worded, wouldn't you agree?

And, really, I don't like the tone of your 'threats'....

jennifert9 wrote on 04-06-2005 04:27 PM:
Johanna, I'm sure you make a great lawyer because you take offense to EVERYTHING! Not everything is directed at you and you are NOT the center of the universe! NEWSFLASH!!
I assume you were talking about me in your recent post and now YOU have offended ME. And trust me honey, I can argue with the best of them so you may have just bit off more than you can chew. I never said I didn't believe in sex before marriage. I said I didn't believe in having children "out of wedlock" And yes, I will say it again "OUT OF WEDLOCK". Not outdated, used by everyone and whether you like it or not, PEOPLE ARE JUDGING YOU! SURPRISE! At least I have the decency not to bring a child in to this world for my own personal gain. I am what is called r e s p o n s i b l e....The last thing this world needs is more children. There are PLENTY that need to be adopted.
I have morals, plenty of them which is WHY I don't have children, I have had the same boyfriend for 5 years, in fact, I LIVE with him. Does that offend you? I hope so. You are judging me by your standards and apparently those of the Catholic church, none of which I subscribe to. So next time you want to spout off and ruin everyone else's good day, do it somewhere else.

BTW, it is Cat-a-holic...not CATHaholic..silly, silly, silly girl.

[jennifert9]

That's right and the reason I didn't post it here is because not everyone needs to be subjected to your opinionated, judgmental, over-sensitive spouting. Why do you always think that everyone is out to get you? You made your decision, get over it. If you have regrets bring them somewhere else to discuss them, not here on Pet Talk. If you want to discuss this further, we can do it out of the public eye so everyone here doesn't have to listen to it. Grow up.
And by the way, I have been a member here since 12/4/2001, long before you joined, and have just recently started posting again. So don't think for one second that you can make me leave or intimidate me by bullying me like you are on a playground or something. Stop following me around PetTalk. Don't you have anything better to do?

[Cataholic]

You are so far out of line...so far.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I am sorry Johanna..... I recently received my first nasty pm (which is probably surprising since I can be rather outspoken as well) and it hurt.

In fact, I was hesitant to respond on this thread because I did not want to say anything you might find offensive.

Am I being judgemental?....I suppose so. I think getting pregnant while living with mom and dad and not having any insurance is a rather immature and shortsighted action.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Hmmm....I was wondering who you were referring to, Johanna, because I knew ES, Gini, Lizbud, Richard, me or most anyone else that posted here would never "expel her ideas of morality" on you (the others I don't know well enough to make such comments about - sorry). I know you are very capable of handling yourself so all I'll say is I'm sorry that anyone judges anyone here. I will just never understand why people feel they have the right to push their judgements on others.

jennifert9 - I don't know you at all, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if you were to get pregnant "out of wedlock" since you are not married and are having sex. Birth control has been known to fail you know.... Oh, but of course, you would immediately get married right? An abortion is obviously out of the question....

Sorry, didn't mean to side track this thread anymore than it already is.

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by jennifert9
That's right and the reason I didn't post it here is because not everyone needs to be subjected to your opinionated, judgmental, over-sensitive spouting. Why do you always think that everyone is out to get you? You made your decision, get over it. If you have regrets bring them somewhere else to discuss them, not here on Pet Talk. If you want to discuss this further, we can do it out of the public eye so everyone here doesn't have to listen to it. Grow up.
And by the way, I have been a member here since 12/4/2001, long before you joined, and have just recently started posting again. So don't think for one second that you can make me leave or intimidate me by bullying me like you are on a playground or something. Stop following me around PetTalk. Don't you have anything better to do?

Since you are SO familiar with things here in PT land...where do you begin to suggest I think anyone is out to get me? Or, that I am judgmental? Opinionated, yes, judgmental? No.

As to talking on PT about things in my life..well, I am kind of of the opinion that many, many people on here are my friends, and that they enjoy hearing about my son, my cats, etc.

I suppose when I get the idea this is all in my head, I will reconsider.

[gini]

The reason for my original post remains the same.......it was a question regarding the cost for the emergency care.

I believe the habit of having babies "in" or "out" of wedlock is here to stay - and my post was never intended to be a judgement call.

But........the fact remains that this young couple found themselves at the emergency unit of a local hospital in the middle of the night.
He told me that she was losing so much blood that her lips were turning blue. And they had to sit and wait for treatment because there were no beds available.

The question does come to my mind however, that if this had been life threatening for her - he as the boyfriend could make no decisions for her. No one else was at the hospital with them.

Other personal details about them isn't important here.

[Lady's Human]

Can we move the urinating contest back into PM land?


ES- For once, I agree with you on one thing......RESPONSIBILITY. (First richard, now me, god help us all)

People need to look to themselves first for the solution to problems, and also should do one hell of a lot more to avoid them in the first place.

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by Lady's Human
Can we move the urinating contest back into PM land?

Pee biscuit, LH, pee biscuit.

Sign, yes...I will go back to my own world now. Plus, it's quittin' time at the salt mines....he he he

[RICHARD]

See what an evil thing that Viagra is???

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ES,
The operating rooms/ER rooms are good portion of the 'profitable'
side of running a hospital..

I am sorry but I cannot give you an exact % as far as monies go....I'd say about 15-20% for meds and 'replacement parts'
another 50% in surgery costs and 30 in regular hospital stays.

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For the record.......

SEX is what caused her get preggers and miscarry.

Not to look at what caused the hospital stay is kinda dumb.

Look at Peter Jennings.....he's got lung cancer and people will rip him an new arse for smoking and possibly bringing that on himself.

I do think that the situation was discussed with a llittle decorum.....no one was name calling or demeaning....

I was merely questioning the couple having relations without recognizing the possibility of an "Oopsie".....

It's more a question of maturity and responsibility.


LH,
Welcome back....


If it was Paris Hilton, Madonna or ????

I wouldn't give a flying handshake.......It's the nameless women in my life that are costing me money.......

Every once in a while I get behind a person who is paying for her groceries with food stamps......Now if I am paying for their food, I am paying for them to have more kids, and when the kids get sick they go see the doctor on MY DIME!!!!!