What a surprise ?

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by PayItForward
'threw her dummy out of her pram' does refer to a baby's dummy, the plastic toy with soft teat, I did not know of any other meanings.

Well, I guess I'm not gay.....I know what soft teats are.

[Fox-Gal]

This is one of those time where I'm not sure what to say or how to say it. But I'm going to give it a try. Silly me!

First to the Aid's comment...............WOW. So wrong in many ways. Aids is not a gay issues it is a human issues. And, if any time you are trying to say that God is punishing my child because she is Gay, Something she can not help, I take strong offense to that.

Now to the deletion of the thread. I look at it this way. In life once your words are spoken, there's not a delete button to hit, to make them go away. They are out there and once they are put into the air, you have deal with them. If the conversation gets off track, as a lot do, you deal with it. By being able to delete something, is in a way the same as a person putting their hand in you face, in the middle of a conversation, saying "stop I don't want to hear your words, your views mean nothing to me" Is that not out of line? Just asking.

personal attacks and slams against this website are uncalled for!

I don't think she was attacking this website, just stating her views on things. Just as it had been done before in a thread not to long ago about there not being enough moderators here. No one got mad then or thought it was slamming the site. I too think that thread should only be able to be deleted after so long and before any one posts on it. Doesn't mean I'm slamming PT, I like PT. I just have a different view on deleting. That's all!! It's not going to stop me from coming here.


About PIF being rude or out of line. Maybe she was, Maybe she wasn't. I'm not going to say. But who here hasn't at on time or another? You might think she was out of line, I might think you where out of line, for the aids comment and some might say I'm out of line. here. But don't judge someone for doing just what you have done yourself. It's like that old saying " Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" (something like that) If you do throw a stone, be prepared to have the stone thrown back at you and don't get made when it does.

[catcrazylady]

My problem with PIF's remarks were the constant "my forum" comments. If it had only been once or twice ok, but it was in two or three different threads. I want what I say on PT to stay on PT. I don't mean to be disrespectful here PIF but if this thread was intended to be on your forum then that is where it would be. Believe it or not I don't like the fact that the thread got deleted either but that is the right of the poster on PT. Making suggestions for changes is fine but I felt like you kept pushing it.

As far as the smiley face making the comment a joke, it could still be taken as a nasty joke and caused hurt feelings. Yes, I know that Chrangharris caused hurt feelings too but the difference for me is that I don't think she did it intentionally while you meant to hit a slammer home. (note smiley face )

Cataholic- shame on you for getting personal!
Now this goes back to my question...Is the difference in how people react because of how it is worded?

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Fox-Gal
It's like that old saying " Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" (something like that) If you do throw a stone, be prepared to have the stone thrown back at you and don't get made when it does.

I actually dislike the glass house analogy.

I'm more of a "Don't throw rocks straight up into the air."


Gravity, ya know.....

[catcrazylady]

Will somebody answer my question???

Gotta Love Ya Richard!!

[dukedogsmom]

Yes, it makes a difference on how things are worded here, just as in real life.

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by catcrazylady
Will somebody answer my question???

Gotta Love Ya Richard!!

WELL, even though you shamed me

I don't know that I can....as the posts seem different to me. You mean DEB Harris and PCB, right? NOT Chris Harris and PCB, right? For me, it is probably something to do with history (as in PCB and mine) that makes me read PCB posts more softly. I do not agree with PCB when it comes to these topics, either. But, I do see her walking and talking the religion thing consistently. I don't see her starting the hot topics, or deleting the things when they get out of hand. AND I remember her age (my secret ).

I guess I just don't READ them the same way.

[micki76]

Originally posted by catcrazylady
Now this goes back to my question...Is the difference in how people react because of how it is worded?

I think for me it has a lot to do with it. PCB states her position without being insulting, or looking down her nose at people. She doesn't insinuate that she's sitting in judgment of people. She only states what her religion and the Koran teach her and her. She can post her beliefs without making us all feel dirty, stupid, or less of a person than her. She also respects our views. She and I are absolute opposites on these types of issues, yet we remain good friends.

[Prairie Purrs]

Originally posted by catcrazylady
I have a sincere question for everyone. I wondered about this when the original thread was active. I noticed that Sirrahbed and PCB's comments were basically the same but only Sirrahbed's post was quoted and remarked upon. This makes me wonder if sometimes it's the way things are worded? I'm sure it has nothing to do with Muslim or Christianity does it? Do we feel safer attacking/debating christianity because most of us understand it better? Is it just something as simple as one person being able to express themselves more eloquently?

Don't nail me please! I really am curious.
I would also like to say that I LOVE reading anything PCB writes. I find her to be very mature, kind, and gracious so please know that I am only asking why the different reaction.

I think one major difference with PCB's comments were that she didn't go the "don't use drugs and don't be gay" route.

But yes, I feel more comfortable discussing Christianity than Islam, because I grew up going to Christian churches and I've been able to develop my own views about what is in (and what's not in) the Bible. I don't have the same familiarity with Muslim writings and teachings. And frankly, enough people in this country bash Islam without knowing what they're talking about, so I'm not joining in that chorus.

Also, I don't think any of this is about "attacking" Christianity. It's more about pointing out when Christianity is being used to justify something that isn't, in the views of many of us, very "Christian" behavior.

[catcrazylady]

Originally posted by Cataholic
WELL, even though you shamed me

I don't know that I can....as the posts seem different to me. You mean DEB Harris and PCB, right? NOT Chris Harris and PCB, right? For me, it is probably something to do with history (as in PCB and mine) that makes me read PCB posts more softly. I do not agree with PCB when it comes to these topics, either. But, I do see her walking and talking the religion thing consistently. I don't see her starting the hot topics, or deleting the things when they get out of hand. AND I remember her age (my secret ).

I guess I just don't READ them the same way.

Yes, I am referring to Debbie's post.

Ok, then does that make it fair for the other? I mean we have Debbie posting and I'm sure her feelings are hurt when she seems to be picked out when she made almost the same exact statements as PCB. I was just curious as to why that happened. Sorry I'm getting this thing way off track but I found that interesting from the very beginning of the original thread.

[catcrazylady]

Very interesting responses. Thank you all for answering because I was really very curious.
I think I will try to be very very careful in how I say things!

[Cataholic]

Well....I don't think people took to Debbie's posts the same way they took to Chris' post. OR, maybe everyone, including me, is overlooking the difference in the Harris name? I still don't see the exact sameness as you do. I guess you need to do what is called a line and page for me....take each of their posts, and line them out...with references to each place you see similar stuff....LOL.....you got the time, don't you?

[RICHARD]

Here's a rule of thumb.

Read everything thru 3xs.

Before you answer.......

When in doubt, walk away.

When in real doubt, crack a joke.

Still in doubt??? Accept the other person's opinion.

Totally confused? Go watch television.

[PayItForward]

Originally posted by catcrazylady
[B]My problem with PIF's remarks were the constant "my forum" comments. If it had only been once or twice ok, but it was in two or three different threads. I want what I say on PT to stay on PT. I don't mean to be disrespectful here PIF but if this thread was intended to be on your forum then that is where it would be. Believe it or not I don't like the fact that the thread got deleted either but that is the right of the poster on PT. Making suggestions for changes is fine but I felt like you kept pushing it.

I run the same software and that is why amendments I make to my site can also be made to this site. I am being pragmatic and offering a solution to a problem, which upset several people.

I have also PM Karen with the actual settings to be altered to only allow people to delete their own posts not the entire thread. Karen & Paul are thinking about applying this amendment, I hope they do.

As far as the smiley face making the comment a joke, it could still be taken as a nasty joke and caused hurt feelings. Yes, I know that Chrangharris caused hurt feelings too but the difference for me is that I don't think she did it intentionally while you meant to hit a slammer home. (note smiley face )

You are entitled to think what you want but you are wrong it was a joke...I found the situation very very funny.

If you want to read bad into my posts that is up to you but as they are my posts I know how they were intended. If wrote a joke and said it was a joke it is a joke no matter what you think.

[catcrazylady]

Originally posted by Cataholic
Well....I don't think people took to Debbie's posts the same way they took to Chris' post. OR, maybe everyone, including me, is overlooking the difference in the Harris name? I still don't see the exact sameness as you do. I guess you need to do what is called a line and page for me....take each of their posts, and line them out...with references to each place you see similar stuff....LOL.....you got the time, don't you?

Ok, there you go! I just said I would have to be very careful in how I said things! I should have said their posts were "similar" very "similar" not almost exactly the same. My fault and now I'm beginning to see why I keep my behind out of here!!