merry is hurt BAD

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by Nomilynn
Secondly, there are times when emergencies happen that are totally unforseen. When Bassett got sick, was I a terrible mom because I didn't have an extra $1000 set aside for all her immediate vet costs? No. Sometimes things happen that we can't predict. I remember, Cass, when your cat (I think it was Mystic) was injured and you couldn't take her immediatly to the vet, and you posted here about how she was trembling with pain but you had no money to help her. Does that make YOU a bad owner? Not necessarily. It just means that sometimes things happen that we have to deal with as best we can when the time comes.

That is absolutely true. NONE of us ... with the exception of the millionaires and billionaires of the world ... can say that we KNOW we can take care of any medical emergency that arises with our pets. NONE of us can say that, even if we only have ONE pet. I personally know someone that spent over $20,000 on surgery and treatments for their dog. Seriously. They are extremely wealthy people. I am not. If my dog had developed the same problems that their dog had, I would have had to euthanize my dog. Does that make me irresponsible? No. It makes me middle-class.

NONE of us have room the criticize anyone else for not having the money for emergency vet care ... not unless we have thousands and thousands of dollars sitting in a special bank account of our own. We can make constructive suggestions, and offer friendly advice. But keep in mind .... those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

[popcornbird]

I agree with Twisterdog and Nomilynn. I, very honestly, have seen a positive change in Jynelle over the past few months, and I am serious about that. I was amazed at how people just started making assumptions without knowing details. How can you make assumptions like that without knowing? Ok, we all know, that things like this have happened in the past, but get over the past and look at the present, and future. People change as they grow. There's no need to be so hurtful about it. I know, I KNOW, the rat should get to the vet asap, but please be nice about it.

Ps. Jynelle, I'm impressed with how you handled all this. You didn't get mad and start fighting at all like you used to. You do seemed to have matured a lot recently.

Good luck with Merry. I do hope she's alright and gets well soon. Keep us updated!

[Kfamr]

Just a thought that popped into my mind...


A few vets agree to treat the animal in pain before payments are able to be given. Is there any possible way that you guys can call a local vet/emergency vet and see if this is possible?


BTW, any clue as to how Merry got hurt?

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by popcornbird
Ok, we all know, that things like this have happened in the past, but get over the past and look at the present, and future. People change as they grow. There's no need to be so hurtful about it. I know, I KNOW, the rat should get to the vet asap, but please be nice about it.

This IS the present. I could care less what happened in the past. If she CANNOT even afford to take her pet in for an exam, she should wait until she can afford it. How hard is that to understand? I waited to aquire new pets until I had the funds to do so. I didn't go get another pet just because it was cute, or I wanted to rescue it etc. I don't see why you are missing the point here.

[wolfsoul]

Again, if you don't have your own money and know you are relying on your parents to vet trips etc.

I would just like to point out that it isn't terrible to rely on your parents for money...It is unfortunate that Jynnelle's mom isn't going to be paid until next week. But we don't see things like that happen in these instances. Generally we thik that since they make the money, they'll have it all the time, and it's a common mistake that I know I make all the time. Jynnelle is very lucky to have a mom that cares about her pets enough to pay for them. It is just too bad that the timing was off. My mom would never pay for my rats. That's why I'm trying my best to find a job, and I know that Jynnelle is too.

[luckies4me]

Look from now on I am staying out of this. If I don't have nothing nice to say I won't say it at all, and people know how I get sometimes so I think that best thing at this point for me would be to shut my trap.


HOPE THE RAT DOES WELL!

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by Kfamr
A few vets agree to treat the animal in pain before payments are able to be given. Is there any possible way that you guys can call a local vet/emergency vet and see if this is possible?

Jynnelle already said:

I have tryed to phone the vet and ask about a payment plan or a post dated check, but they dont accept either. I called three vets in my area.

[micki76]

Originally posted by luckies4me
This IS the present. I could care less what happened in the past. If she CANNOT even afford to take her pet in for an exam, she should wait until she can afford it. How hard is that to understand? I waited to aquire new pets until I had the funds to do so. I didn't go get another pet just because it was cute, or I wanted to rescue it etc. I don't see why you are missing the point here.

Ok Cass, so you were more responsible than Jynelle. Point taken. Not be a little more tolerant. We all change and I personally think Jynnelle has grown a lot lately. She's headed in to young womanhood and is doing her best.

Say you're poor. Does that preclude you from having pets? I hope not. That's just not right. I guess poor people shouldn't have kids either?

We all want Merry to see the vet asap, but that's not going to happen. I would hate to be Jynnelle, there watching Merry in pain and having people on my case. I watched Aneko have a seizure last night and it was awful, I can imagine how she feels, only she doesn't have the option of going to the E/vet.

Sometimes it's nice to just have a kind word in a hard time.

Jynnelle, I hope Merry's ok. Please keep us updated.

[micki76]

Cass just PM'd me and wants to stay out if the thread, but she does apoligoze for being harsh. And I think we all know she just wants what's best for Merry, just like we all do.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by micki76

Say you're poor. Does that preclude you from having pets? I hope not. That's just not right. I guess poor people shouldn't have kids either?

I know this wasn't directed towards me, but there's nowhere where it states i'm not allowed to add my two cents. This by no means is meant to offend anyone, so please don't take it as if it is.


I honestly do not think "poor people" should have kids or pets. They are living creatures, both kids and pets, and need tons of care. Not having money is stopping you ( if you were poor) from giving the care that the animal or child needs. I'd be absolutely miserable if my family wasn't financially stable to care of animals or bring them into our family. BUT, i'd much rather not have that on my shoulders if I wasn't able to pay for vet bills or whatever needed, this meaning I wouldn't own an animal, or have a child, if I wasn't financially stable or able to have such responsibility.

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by Kfamr
I honestly do not think "poor people" should have kids or pets. They are living creatures, both kids and pets, and need tons of care. Not having money is stopping you ( if you were poor) from giving the care that the animal or child needs. I'd be absolutely miserable if my family wasn't financially stable to care of animals or bring them into our family. BUT, i'd much rather not have that on my shoulders if I wasn't able to pay for vet bills or whatever needed, this meaning I wouldn't own an animal, or have a child, if I wasn't financially stable or able to have such responsibility.

Oh boy ... what a can of worms!

I'll totally leave the "kid" issue alone ... that's for another thread for sure.

However .... regarding pets and "poor" people ....

First of all ... define "poor". How do you?

Is "poor" unable to provide food? Then yes, if that is the case, I'd say if you can't feed a pet, you shouldn't have one. Or is "poor" unable to afford Science Diet or Iams ... but your dog gets plenty of Alpo or Ol' Roy? In that case, I'd say that the "poor" person who can feed a dog Alpo for fifteen years is a fine pet owner indeed.

Same thing with medical care - Is "poor" unable to pay for vaccinations? If so, they that "poor" person probably shouldn't have a pet. But if "poor" is unable to put $5,000 aside for a possible medical emergency somewhere down the line ... then I'd say that person could certainly have a pet in good conscience.

I believe it also depends on where the pet came from ... it's prior circumstances. If a "poor" person rescues a starving, sick dog from a slow and painful death ... and nurses it back to health, feeds it Ol' Roy, and doesn't have the money for expensive medical emergencies in a bank account somewhere ..... yet the dog lives for ten happy years, loved by this "poor" person, instead of slowly starving to death at the end of chain ..... you still think this "poor" person shouldn't own a pet?

Everything is not black or white, Kay. Actually, NOTHING is black or white, everything is shades of gray. The people in my town that are called "poor" might be upper-middle-class in the rural South Eastern USA ... and they would certainly be filthy rich in many parts of Africa. The store-brand dog food that I would never feed to my dogs might keep a "poor" person's dog perfectly healthy for its' entire life ... and I know there are starving humans all over the world that don't eat anything nearly so grand as store-brand dog food their entire lives.

Judge not ....

[Kfamr]

Wow, I'm not ever going to bother reading all of that, because not even the first few sentences are anything of what I met.

I'm talking about normal vet bills, food - the necessities. Not emergency, because obviously we all can't expect when accidents are going to happen


What do you mean, " A can of worms!" Explain?

<insert a different smiley here, since the poor pixel smiley is considered "oh so rude">

[wolfie]

I hope Merry gets well soon!

I can't believe how mean you all are being! I'm sure that Jynnelle doing everything she can do right now to help her rattie! Her beloved pet is injured and everyone is telling her that she is a bad pet owner. How would that make you feel? I hope you guys never turn on me like that.

And just because you don't have a lot of money doesn't mean you shouldn't own pets. It's wonderful if you have a lot of money, but not everyone does, so we all have to make do with what we have.

Once again, I hope that Merry gets well soon!!!

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Wow, I'm not ever going to bother reading all of that, because not even the first few sentences are anything of what I met.

I'm talking about normal vet bills, food - the necessities. Not emergency, because obviously we all can't expect when accidents are going to happen


What do you mean, " A can of worms!" Explain?

<insert a different smiley here, since the poor pixel smiley is considered "oh so rude">

Maybe you should read it. Just because it's not "what you meant" doesn't mean it might not be interesting or enlightening to read, eh? And if you did actually read it, you would see that I posed that exact question ... do you mean necessities or emergencies? What is actually much more rude than that stupid smiley is not reading a post, assuming to know what it says somehow, and then criticizing something you didn't even bother to read in the first place. Read it and comment. Or don't read it, and keep quiet. But don't refuse to read something, and then have a snotty comment abou it anyway.

Saying something is a "can of worms" means that there are likely to be many people with many different opinions about the topic. It means it is not going to be something that everyone will agree upon, and there is likely to be debate or argument about it. It's a very common phrase, nothing personal.

And, once again ... instead of hijacking Jynelle's thread with bickering ... shall we take this to PM's, please, Kay?

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by Twisterdog
Maybe you should read it. Just because it's not "what you meant" doesn't mean it might not be interesting or enlightening to read, eh? And if you did actually read it, you would see that I posed that exact question ... do you mean necessities or emergencies? What is actually much more rude than that stupid smiley is not reading a post, assuming to know what it says somehow, and then criticizing something you didn't even bother to read in the first place. Read it and comment. Or don't read it, and keep quiet. But don't refuse to read something, and then have a snotty comment about it anyway.

Saying something is a "can of worms" means that there are likely to be many people with many different opinions about the topic. It means it is not going to be something that everyone will agree upon, and there is likely to be debate or argument about it. It's a very common phrase, nothing personal.

That's a can of worms! :P And no, I don't feel like reading much right now as i'm trying to post photos from today.



As I stated before I typed, I was adding my two cents. And that's all it was, and probably all it's worth. Now, lets put this thread back on track.