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[Twisterdog]

God did not make people gay. It was a way of life they chose.

Please site your source for this. Do you have a scientific study showing this?

[CathyBogart]

In my opinion, it is a decision that the person can take to their deity when they die, and it affects us....not at all!

ITA Twisterdog...I would be very interested to see if anyone can prove that Deity didn't make some people gay. Once again I turn to ancient Greece and their religion....

[Shelteez2]

Originally posted by KBlaix
God did not make people gay. It was a way of life they chose. I don't support gay marriages because God created marriages to join a man and his wife as one. Regardless of who preformes the ceremony it is wrong. A man sleeping with another man is immoral, it is a sin, it is no different than a man performing sexual acts on an animal. We all sin, the difference is I ask for forgiveness and it's forgotten, I also try not to sin.

You have GOT to be kidding.

Who in their right mind would choose to be gay knowing the ridicule and suffering they go through at the hands of people like you? That alone is enough to make me believe that being gay is not something you choose.

I too would like to see some evidence to back up your ridiculous statement.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by KBlaix
God did not make people gay. It was a way of life they chose. I don't support gay marriages because God created marriages to join a man and his wife as one. Regardless of who preformes the ceremony it is wrong. A man sleeping with another man is immoral, it is a sin, it is no different than a man performing sexual acts on an animal. We all sin, the difference is I ask for forgiveness and it's forgotten, I also try not to sin.

I agree. I don't believe God made people gay. I don't need scientific proof for that. The words of God state how much God is against such actions themselves. Science is the research of mankind. While I do believe in most of it, I take God's words before man's words. The research of man can possibly have errors in it. How many times do they do research on certain issues, make a scientific discovery, and later say they were wrong, after further research? It happens all the time. I don't take the words of scientists over the words of God, Who created us and gave us guidelines in life to follow, which I personally, firmly believe in. If the words of scientists contradict the words of God, I don't take them. Whether certain people believe in that or not, that is another issue, but personally, when God Himself has told us how He destroyed the nation of Prophet Lot because of their gay acts, it is very obvious from the Bible/Quran/and other religious books that God is very much against this action. If God *made* people like that, He wouldn't have condemned this as such a huge sin. I'm sorry.......I don't believe God created people gay, and I never will. This is my opinion and no one has the right to condemn me for it. I am not condemning anyone for their opinions either.

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by popcornbird
I agree. I don't believe God made people gay ... This is my opinion and no one has the right to condemn me for it. I am not condemning anyone for their opinions either.

But see, PCB, that difference in your post and the previous one is that you are saying what you believe and what your opinion is. And you are absolutely correct, no one has the right to call another's beliefs or opinions wrong. It IS wrong, however, to state a belief or an opinion as a matter of fact, as was done in the other post. If you are going to state something as a literal fact ... i.e., "God did not make people gay. It was a way of life they chose.", then you'd better have something concrete to back that up. If you are saying, "My belief is ... My opinion is ...", then that is fine and well, and entirely up to you to belief whatever you choose. You are just stating how you feel, not stating a universal fact.

Who in their right mind would choose to be gay knowing the ridicule and suffering they go through at the hands of people like you? That alone is enough to make me believe that being gay is not something you choose.

I agree. Anyone who has ever personally known someone who is gay knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did not choose to be gay, in any way, shape or form. Most homosexuals are tormented by their "abnormal" thoughts, feelings, emotions and attractions, and try to "change" and stay "in the closet" for years, decades, or sometimes their whole lives.

I have a friend who grew up a devout Catholic, and said he "spent twenty-five years praying every day for God to make me heterosexual, to let me find women attractive" Now, tell me, then, KBlaix ... here is a man who wanted more than anything to be heterosexul, to be "normal", to do what was right in his God's eyes. He prayed about it for twenty-five years, daily. He is still homosexual, of course. How can that be a "choice" he made?

Could you "choose" to become homosexual tomorrow?

God also said, "Judge not, lest ye shall be judged." And, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by KBlaix
It was a way of life they chose.

Actually if you read the rest of my statement, people do not choose to be gay. Scientific evidence has proved that levels of stress during pregnancy can cause a baby's testosterone or estrogen levels to decrease. The resulting baby might be homosexual.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by popcornbird
If God *made* people like that, He wouldn't have condemned this as such a huge sin.

There are alot of things that are sins that we go through in our daily lives. And God maybe didn't "make" you do them, but He certainly gave you the ability to. I say that it shouldn't hurt to add another big "sin". We all hate sometimes, we get angry, we get selfish, we get envious. Being a seamstress, musician, or craftsmen is a sin for cyring out loud. They always say that even if we sin, as long as we believe in God we are forgiven. I know plenty of gay people who believe in God, and in their right minds they are going to Heaven.

[2kitties]

Aside from all the scientific evidence that shows homosexuality is genetic, I know in my heart from my close friends who have dealt with this that it is NOT a choice. I've seen up close the pain they have gone through, along with their families. They would give anything to be "normal". The God that I know and love made all of us the way we are and never hates any of the children he made. I simply refuse to believe otherwise and I look forward to knowing my gay friends in Heaven as I know them on earth- only without the horrible influence of rediculous bigotry and persecution. And, let all be clear that God is not too keen on judgementalness and bigotry either.

[BitsyNaceyDog]

They always say that even if we sin, as long as we believe in God we are forgiven.

That's not fully true. I know poeple who "believe in God" but are not saved. To be saved you need to pray from your heart and ask Jesus to come into your heart, you need to know that Jesus died to save you from your sins. When you know in your heart that Jesus died for you and you accept then you are saved. That's when and only when your sins are forgiven.

Being gay is a choice. Some part of them likes being gay, other wise they wouldn't be. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.- Philippians 4:13 . If they chose God as their way rather than the world then they would have the power to overcome their homosexual desires.

KBlaix ... here is a man who wanted more than anything to be heterosexul, to be "normal", to do what was right in his God's eyes. He prayed about it for twenty-five years, daily. He is still homosexual, of course. How can that be a "choice" he made?

He wasn't saved. If you're not saved God can't answer you. Going to church for 25 years doesn't get you into heaven. The only way into heaven is through Jesus.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by KBlaix


He wasn't saved. If you're not saved God can't answer you. Going to church for 25 years doesn't get you into heaven. The only way into heaven is through Jesus.

But doesn't God love everyone??

If God, in all his greatness, chooses who he will
save, accept, love and forgive, wouldn't that make him just as jaded as we are?

We really should leave God to worry about who is going to be saved and answered. Altho, when I learn to really see into a person's heart I may
not depend on God so much....

We are all here on the planet by some funny miracle, we should take more time to see how much we are alike, rather than judging each other on invisible beliefs.

[wolf_Q]

I was in an argumentative mood this morning. They were talking about Gay marriage protests in Utah on the news. I tried to make a nice argument with my mother. It didn't get anywhere, all it ended in was "Are you GAY?" Can't somebody be ok with gay marriages and not be gay? Ugghhh

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
There are alot of things that are sins that we go through in our daily lives. And God maybe didn't "make" you do them, but He certainly gave you the ability to. I say that it shouldn't hurt to add another big "sin". We all hate sometimes, we get angry, we get selfish, we get envious. Being a seamstress, musician, or craftsmen is a sin for cyring out loud. They always say that even if we sin, as long as we believe in God we are forgiven. I know plenty of gay people who believe in God, and in their right minds they are going to Heaven.

That is just ridiculous saying that if you believe in God, you can do whatever you want and are going to be saved anyway. Why on earth did God make hell then? Of course God gave us the choice. God gave human beings free choice to test them, to see who is a true believer, and who isn't. God also made Satan. Its part of the test..........to see who is strong enough to keep away from Satan, and who isn't. God gave us free choice, the freedom to judge for ourselves, and make our own decisions. God also made heaven and hell, and trust me, hell is not going to be no empty place. God made it for a reason. Just believing in God doesn't give you a free ticket to heaven. I guarantee you, there will be MANY so-called believers in hell. It isn't enough to say *I believe in God*, and go around disobeying Him in EVERY aspect in life, and then expect Him to forgive you. Why should God forgive you when you never left the sin, and never asked for forgiveness? He has no reason to. God is merciful to those who seek His mercy, not to those who commit sins after sins, and instead of feeling bad about it and seeking His forgiveness, they justify their actions and continue to commit their sins. Such people deserve no forgiveness. To God, sins are crimes, and just as criminals deserve punishment, so do sinners. Homosexuality is no minor sin. It is one of the GREATEST sins a person can commit in God's eyes, in all major religions. It is up to God to judge every person, but who are we to say there are good gays that in their right mind will go to heaven? God has punished gay communities in the past, in this world, and certainly has a more severe punishment waiting for them in the hereafter. Who are we to say the gays today are not going to have to face the same punishment that those before them had to face because of their sins and rejection of God's message brought to them?

That being said, God's doors to forgiveness are always open, and if a person sincerely repents and leaves a sin, even after years of committing it, God WILL forgive that person. The person just has to do it before death knocks at his/her door.

Again, this is my opinion, and I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone. This is something I feel strongly about, and my feelings will never change on this issue. I don't care if you choose to call me closed-minded because of that. I would rather be closed-minded on such issues than open my mind to what I see as wrong, and get myself a ticket to hell. And, I would like to add, everyone is closed-minded on different issues, just as those of you in favor of gays are closed-minded to why so many others are against it. We're all closed-minded on certain issues. If you don't have a little closed-mindedness in you, you aren't human.

[kitten645]

That's not fully true. I know poeple who "believe in God" but are not saved. To be saved you need to pray from your heart and ask Jesus to come into your heart, you need to know that Jesus died to save you from your sins. When you know in your heart that Jesus died for you and you accept then you are saved. That's when and only when your sins are forgiven.

It boggles and frightens me each time I am reminded that "people" actually still think like this in this day and age. I usually find the least "Christ like" people on earth are those proclaiming to be Christian. Last I checked judgements on morality were to be left to God. Who are you to pass judgement on anything?

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by popcornbird
I would rather be closed-minded on such issues than open my mind to what I see as wrong, and get myself a ticket to hell.

If we get our tickets together, one of us travels for free!!!!

[2kitties]

Alright group. What say we all agree to disagree. These kinds of things never get settled. You have your beliefs. I'll have mine, and we'll agree to sit back and think the other is crazy but not try to change that.
Really, this is bordering on going way out of hand and having people start saying things they can't take back.

*shakes any hand thats out there*