Ugh... WTF????

[G.P.girl]

Originally posted by kevinrats


If that was true, then why are gay people fighting? Shouldn't they just stay behind closed doors?

are you trying to say we hould just lock them up like animals just so that people who don't agree with it don''t have to see them?

[2kitties]

Troll: noun

Person who stirs trouble for the laughter of it. Often antagonistic. Characteristics may include false identification. For example, one who bills himself as a 14 year old boy yet speaks the rhetoric of someone older. Clearly not who he says he is. Other characteristics may include social misfit who finds attention gaining outlets online.

Remedy for troll: Ignore feature.

[dukedogsmom]

Very well said, 2kitties!

[micki76]

Originally posted by 2kitties
Troll: noun

Person who stirs trouble for the laughter of it. Often antagonistic. Characteristics may include false identification. For example, one who bills himself as a 14 year old boy yet speaks the rhetoric of someone older. Clearly not who he says he is. Other characteristics may include social misfit who finds attention gaining outlets online.

Remedy for troll: Ignore feature.

Yep. Don't feed them and they will die off.

[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by Corinna
I have a few gay friends. I too enjoy being with them. But first marraige was "invented" in the bible so it is a religous ceramony. a civil uioun is a govenmental and legal part . So a wedding is a relious ceramony, so it is a moral situation. I have lots of stright friends who have a civil ceramiony.
Logan I too am old fashioned, my gay friends all accept my ideas we just don't talk about it and I don't comment on their lifestyles . we just enjoy the company of each person in the group.

The word Marriage perhaps. Handfastings and such, which are the same thing, have been around much longer.

[Denyce]

Ok once again. Wow. I just loved so many of these posts and the discussion. It is my understanding...and I am not well versed in the Bible..but marriage in the Bible is defined as a union before God between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation.

Having said that...does that mean that marriages such as mine are invalid because we do not intend to procreate???

If not then...it is way past time to seperate the two. My husband and I were married by the Mayor of our little town of Port Matilda. It was a legal cival union that is binding. I don't see any reason whatsoever that the same can't be done for homosexual couples. We decided this because my husband is Jewish and I am Neo-pagan. We love one another and wish to spend our lives together. But you know what...we had to get married...he is also Canadian and I am American...and for him to remain here and work we HAD to be married. SO! My point in this rambling is if the government can insist 2 people perform a civil ceremony in order to be able to live and work in this country then they can darn well allow homosexuals to do the same.

Take the religon out of our government. It has no business being there at all!!! Leave the religon in the churches and the legality in the government.

Not sure if I said that right but....yea...that is what I mean...

Denyce

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by WolfChan


There are many cultures where homosexuality is accepted and/or encouraged, past AND present!

My stepbrother lives in Australia with the aboregenees (sp?) and all the men there are gay. The only reason they have intercourse with women is to reproduce.

[RICHARD]

To quote my momma,
Who has always put complex issues into simple, everyday adages - that are crude - and make a whole lot more sense than arguing specific points about an issue.

"who cares what anyone does, as long as they don't use my rear end......"

And, once again,

Why should 'gays' be made to miss all the great things about marriage?

Abuse, cheating, money problems, work issues, leaving the toilet seat up, cooking, laundry, dusting, taking the trash out.....

It's a non issue......let's take care of the Troops, the price of gas, kicking OBL's rear end and
those pesky weapons of mass destruction-----
Janet Jackson, Britney Spears, Kobe Bryant, Martha Stewart, Mike Eisner, Kenneth Lay and Alex Rodriguez, J-lo (LOLOLOLOLOL), Puff Nitwit and that wonderful Congressperson from New Mexico, the
"honorable" Heather Wilson......

[RICHARD]

Oops!

And the Catholic Church should have quite a bit to say about homosexuality......

After all, they are still 'paying' for it....

[catnapper]

Originally posted by Denyce
Having said that...does that mean that marriages such as mine are invalid because we do not intend to procreate???
Denyce

Boy under the Bible's definition, my husband and I are in an unlawful marriage too. We have the three kids from the first marriage. They are almost out of highschool... why on Earth would we want another 20 years of children when in 4 years we can be selfish and enjoy each other by ourselves.

Besides, I thought over-population was a world-wide epidemic. Marriage was set to protect the human race and inteneded to make it grow... grow we did! Now we have all sorts of problems of overcrowding, lack of food & Medicine... boy I'm swerving off topic, but you get my point.

Another side note: how many of you have actually read the Bible? Its actually pretty funny when you read starting at Genesis. There they describe in detail the contructon of the Earth. Later, we found out the Earth was round, not what those wise men said when the Bible was written. It was written as a form of explanation in a time when none other existed. It was written as a guide to help people make sense of things that seemed senseless. As we progress scientifically, I think that humanity needs to take a look at what is written and put it into context of WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN. We are human, we live and grow. Now, I don't want this debate to take a wild turn to bashing the Bible. invaluable lessons are taught in it.

[ILoveReptiles]

I feel inclined to add my two cents to this conversation. I have always thought that the government, being the morally challenged corrupt mass that it is, has NO right to be dictating what people should or should not do in their own private lives.

It enrages me that the Bush administration even thinks they have the right to push for this. What happened to freedom? It does not exist anymore. And so much for separation of Church and State.

As for Christianity and its views on marriage being valid/invalid due to the choice to procreate or not procreate, well, don't even get me STARTED on that B.S.

!!!!

[trayi52]

Well said Richard!!

[Logan]

It seems that we all have an opinion about this matter, right or wrong, and the President obviously feels strongly too. He does not have the authority to make this decision on his own, obviously, but like all of us, he is standing up for what he believes, whether we agree with him or not. Just a thought. I suppose that even when you're President of the US, you're entitled to your opinion.

[2kitties]

How about we all go have a gay marriage then go watch The Passion- only if I can sit next to a pedophile priestm, a child abuser, a murder, an adulterer and card carrying members of the NRA and KKK...and throw in Monica Lewinsky on the lap of an Ex-president

...Did I get them all in there?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Logan....in the past President Bush has said that his belief was that this should be an issue left to the states...i.e. State's Rights. Now he supports a constitutional amendment.

I realize we all have the right to change our mind, but I am curious as to what has occurred to cause him to changes his mind since the last election???