Morning After Pill may soon be OTC. Thoughts?

[pit chic]

Yeah, it's your body and you have the right to do with it what you want. But there's probably been countless lawsuits againts doctors who have steralized women who ended up changing their minds later, even though they were dead set against having kids before.

If men were required to be temporarily sterilized there would probably be a lot less unwanted children and/or fatherless children being born. Yes there are risks with any surgery no matter how minor but, a vasectomy is less risky then a hysterectomy. While I agree that a woman has the right to do with herself what she wants, what right do people have to bring an unwanted child into this world for the rest of society to take care of?

[Vio&Juni]

You can buy it in any pharmacy here, any age, (well, not 5 yo, of course) for some years already. I knew only about 69% sure. It is definitely not to be used as a method of contraception, it's not a plan B, it is for special cases - problems with the condom, rape, or things like this. It is not so reliable, but it is a good thing.

I think, it should be available to anyone. It didn't change the attitude toward unprotected sex - who did it before, is still doing it and who was careful, still is. Different educational methods need to be used, this is not a problem to be solved by forbidding the sale of one pill.

[2kitties]

Requiring anyone to be sterilized- even temporarily- is absurd.
Forced surgery....hmmmm.... have you ever spoken to a man who's had a vastectomy? I have and any of them will tell you it is horribly painful. Forced painful surgery.....hmmmm..... sounds like communism in a free country.

[2kitties]

Originally posted by Vio&Juni
You can buy it in any pharmacy here, any age, (well, not 5 yo, of course) for some years already. I knew only about 69% sure. It is definitely not to be used as a method of contraception, it's not a plan B, it is for special cases - problems with the condom, rape, or things like this. It is not so reliable, but it is a good thing.

I think, it should be available to anyone. It didn't change the attitude toward unprotected sex - who did it before, is still doing it and who was careful, still is. Different educational methods need to be used, this is not a problem to be solved by forbidding the sale of one pill.

You're right, V&J, but you're speaking as a European. In the US, we're so darn stingy with our sex ed we'd bunk it up for sure.

[micki76]

Originally posted by pit chic
Yeah, it's your body and you have the right to do with it what you want.

If men were required to be temporarily sterilized there would probably be a lot less unwanted children and/or fatherless children being born.

First you say, “Yeah, it's your body and you have the right to do with it what you want.”

Then you say, “If men were required to be temporarily sterilized there would probably be a lot less unwanted children and/or fatherless children being born.”

So a man should have no say in what’s done to his body?

Sorry, your argument doesn’t work.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I am an advocate of ANYTHING that helps to prevent unplanned/unwanted pregnancies. Is there anything more stunting to a young woman's future than an unplanned child???

I can't imagine anyone thinking..."Oh, it's okay to have unprotected sex because I can run to the pharmacy tomorrow and get plan B!"

The sex drive is very strong. I admire those who have never had unplanned/unprotected sex. However, I see no reason to put obstacles in the way of preventing a pregnancy.

[Vio&Juni]

2kitties, Moldova is still not Western Europe, if you meant that. We still have a long way to go, and believe me, I am not a representative of my country. So many people are so ignorant and this is what I meant, actually. You can't change those. If they thought that it's enough to (sorry for the details) pee after sex in order to avoid a pregnancy, this pill will not imediately change their attitude, but for those that were smart enough, or almost smart, this pill is not a salvation, it's to be used in special cases.

[pit chic]

Actually I have and the only pain one guy had was he didn't take the doctors advice and take it easy like he was supposed to. I don't know of anyone who had surgery for any reason that didn't have some pain or discomfort afterwards.

I never said it was the absolute solution to a worldwide problem, but I'm sure it will start to look like a good idea when this country becomes rediculously overpopulated. Take a drive through the ghetto and see as one woman is walking down the street with her 5 kids under the age of 6, one in a stroller and one on the way. Where is the father(s)? Somewhere else making more unwanted kids. But hey, they have the right to procreate, leaving society to pay for their mistake(s) don't they?

[2kitties]

Very true. I agree with you. I think I keep hearing the great results of this pill in France and I don't think sexual enlightenment in the US comes ANYWHERE near that of France.

Anyway, I just hope it isn't- like someone said- hanging out by the Trojans. It just feels like dangerous ground to me.

Personally, I'd prefer to see birth control be easier to get (the pill). I realize it has side effects so it needs to be regulated by a doctor and can't be otc, but there needs to be an easy private way that young girls can get it. But the flip side of that is that it could make them more prone to disease. No matter what we want to think, most teens view pregnancy as the worst consquence of sex. They often feel invulnerable to disease. I believe that average teen would not use a condom if pregnancy was taken out of the equation.

[andrea_NMAggie]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by micki76
[B]I don't understand adult women who don't have the sense to protect themselves against pregnancy and disease! I mean, isn't it easier to take birth control if you think you may have sex? If you know you will have sex in advance, take the friggin' pills, use the friggin' condoms or DON'T DO IT. DUH. Simple.

If you're not smart enough to at least protect yourself, get out of he gene pool people!

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What i don't think you're getting, is that this ISN'T birth control, its called "Plan B" for a reason. Like: what to do if your current method of BC fails. I wasn't on the birth control pill during the incident that I used this product. I had just received a prescription for the pill, but had to wait for the proper time of the month to protect myself. So there came the condom...and yes, condoms do fail!! I'm grateful to have had Plan B during that incident, and think about how much less stressed out I could have been if I could have just gone to the store to take care of myself, instead of finding the closest "open" clinic to pick up the prescription at.

I do agree with others in that I think this should be something that you *ask* the pharmacist for...as Plan B is something that you should have explained to you, instead of it just hanging in an aisle.

[2kitties]

Pit Chic, I respect your views but I can't get onboard with the idea of ANY forced medical procedures in our society- no matter the benefits. It's a one way ticket to communism and it breaks EVERY civil rights code on the books. Not to meantion the Bill of Rights etc.

[micki76]

Originally posted by pit chic
Take a drive through the ghetto and see as one woman is walking down the street with her 5 kids under the age of 6, one in a stroller and one on the way. Where is the father(s)? Somewhere else making more unwanted kids. But hey, they have the right to procreate, leaving society to pay for their mistake(s) don't they?

Where are the father(s)? Exactly. What about the woman in the ghetto with her 5 kids under the age of 6? She layed down with the father(s) and had the kids.

I agree that fathers should take care of their children, but to me the women are equally as responsible for creating these children.

[Vio&Juni]

Originally posted by 2kitties
Pit Chic, I respect your views but I can't get onboard with the idea of ANY forced medical procedures in our society- no matter the benefits. It's a one way ticket to communism and it breaks EVERY civil rights code on the books. Not to meantion the Bill of Rights etc.

2kitties, I agree with you, except for one think - in communism no one forces medical procedures on anyone. Maybe you wanted to say dictatorship. Don't get me wrong, and I am not trying to start a discussion about it. I am not an advocate of communism, but, the idea of communism is not to break civil rights, it's the people that can make even a democracy undemocratic.

[pit chic]

We may not be a communist country, but even "free" is limited. There has to be rules and regulations and I'm sure a lot of people view those regulations already in existance as communistic, but the beauty of being a democratic country is that we can lobby congress and vote for what we jointly feel is the best for society. A vasectomy law would probably never be voted for by most men and some woman, but if abortion is ever banned, then someone better think of a better solution to preventing unwanted children besides a pill that may or may not work.

[Vio&Juni]

Originally posted by micki76
Where are the father(s)? Exactly. What about the woman in the ghetto with her 5 kids under the age of 6? She layed down with the father(s) and had the kids.

I agree that fathers should take care of their children, but to me the women are equally as responsible for creating these children.

Again, education is the key factor. Take a look at this

Don't judge these women, they lack education. It's the responsibility of the state, of the education system, of the civil society, of any of us to bring new ways of avoiding the situation.