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    I have nothing against GOOD breeders. A good breeder who actually does care about their dogs would NOT breed their dog twice in one year. That has to be the most insane thing I've ever heard. How can you care about your dog if you are breeding her that often! That's not safe for your dog at all, you obviously don't care about her if you are overbreeding her. I've read this entire thread and I don't think that you've answered yet if you take your dog to the vet? Good breeders take their dogs to the vet for prenatal care just like a human would if she were pregnant.
    I've been Defrosted!

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    How do you think all your dogs got here?! If poeple spayed their dogs some of your fav. dogs might not even be here! Her prob wasnt even that big! Why are you all making such a big deal about this! Yes we do care for are dogs and WE know whats best for them! If we didnt care they would probley be dead!
    Ooooooh now I'm mad!!

    Ya really wanna know how my dogs got here? I RESCUED THEM!! Wanna know why there are dogs that need to be rescued? Because of IRRESPONSIBLE and IGNORANT backyard breeders like YOU who simply breed for "business" and the "money" and not the love of dogs or the breed you continue to reproduce and "improve" (as you stated in an earlier reply but I find so hard to believe). Don't deny it because you said it yourself:

    Well we bred for business.
    And as a side note: If you can't even spell the word DECISIONS, you really shouldn't be making any.

    Will make the disitions.
    Normally I wouldn't be this rude, but you are just so naive about this whole thing. Again, I offer my prayers to poor Cricket and your sanity.
    Lauren [me], Kato [rhodesian ridgeback], and Zariah [rhodesian ridgeback]



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    I would also like to add where I got MY dogs from...

    I got Tikeya from a breeder just out side of my town, all her siberian huskies wew akc registered and had a full blood line of great working breeds, she only owned 4 dogs, Tikeyas mother, Father, Aunt, and a Uncle. The Sunt and Uncle were spayed and neutered and Tikeyas mother was going to be spayed after she was born, This breeder was very responsible, she only bred Tikeyas mom to Tikeyas dad, and no other dogs. She only had 2 litters every 4 years.

    Oscar we got from a Shih tzu lhasa apso breeder in our area, his parents are AKC registered and He was offered to come with papers, but we chose not to take them. Both of Oscars parents are SHOW dogs.


    I dont think you understand what kind of pain and suffering you are putting crikit through
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    I dont think you understand what kind of pain and suffering you are putting crikit through
    I couldn't agree with you more Tikeyas Mom. Oh, and "Slaveto9Dogs" your user name makes me laugh because it sounds to me like your 9 dogs are slaves to you. You may want to think that one over.
    Lauren [me], Kato [rhodesian ridgeback], and Zariah [rhodesian ridgeback]



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    .each year in this country, millions of healthy, adoptable cats and dogs are killed because there are not enough homes for them all.

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    okay listen... YES it is your decision! look none of us are *trying* to be rude, but theres just no choice **cough cough** to me yes it does sound like a puppy mill.. only because cricket is breeding non stop.. *or so it seems* I just feel REALLY REALLY bad for your dog.. This isnt whats best.. All of us are concerened about the dogs that dont get homes, or when you do give a dog to someone else how do you know they wont like the way it looks when it frows up or if it's to aggressive or if they dont want a Puppy now..

    You cant just expect them all to go to good homes even though you may think they are.. ughhh... Do what you want.. im sorry if your dog suddenly goes into heat and then you discover some health problems with your dog.. Lets just say we told you so..

    Pet overpopulation is a serious problem in the US...unfortunately there are over 4 million more dogs in the US than there are homes available. You've already helped by adopting a dog of your own, but you can also help to solve the overpopulation problem even more by having your dog spayed.

    Female dogs are prone to breast cancer later in life. Spaying your dog before her first heat will reduce the risk to less than 5%. After the first heat the risk is approximately 28%, increasing with each heat

    Think of it this way, Each day 10,000 humans are born in the U.S. - and each day 70,000 puppies and kittens are born. As long as these birth rates exist, there will never be enough homes for all the animals. As a result, every year 4 to 6 million animals are euthanized because there are no homes for them

    We are giving you something to THINK about.. Dont take it as personal as you are.. gosh! Im sorry but i get annoyed easily talking about why to spay ..

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    I am shocked

    and dumb-founded. Is Cricket a pet or a puppy mill? You love your dog. What does that mean to you?
    Do you know how many greyhound owners say they love their dogs but when they don't run fast enough, they have no problem putting them down.
    Sorry, but 6 litters for what I consider to be a very young dog is unbelievably cruel.
    Please stop this madness. Do you sell the puppies? Do you have them Vet checked etc. You took her to a friend's house but did you take her to a Vet? Does the Vet think it is okay for her to have so many litters.
    I don't want to hurt your feelings but if she is a pet, you shouldn't want to endanger her life like this and if she isn't a pet, then you really are running a puppy mill and there is no point in trying to make you listen.

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    Re: ok look

    Originally posted by SlaveTo9Dogs
    How do you think all your dogs got here?! If poeple spayed their dogs some of your fav. dogs might not even be here! Her prob wasnt even that big! Why are you all making such a big deal about this! Yes we do care for are dogs and WE know whats best for them! If we didnt care they would probley be dead!
    *Sigh*, Molly came from a Backyard Breeder. I guess you could say I RESCUED her. That was almost 3 years ago. I didn't know about "them" then. If I could go back in time, would I have gotten her? Of course I still would. If anyone saw the horrible condition she was in, you wouldn't leave her there either. I love her to death.

    Daisy came from a responsible breeder. He had many years of experience with the golden retriever breed and excellent lineage. His dogs fit the breed standard, and had the parents vet checked before breeding. He also had a "health guarentee" for the puppies.

    We're making a big deal about it, because we care about animals. You say her problem welping the litter wasn't that big and you will still continue to breed her, that right there makes me sick. Don't you know that "little problem" could grow into a BIG problem and result in death? Your 14 years old, and your breeding, im the same age as you and I have enough common sence to know to spay or neuter your dog. I only hope you learn something from this.

    Last edited by GoldenRetrLuver; 08-24-2003 at 10:41 PM.

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    Everyone brings up great points. The main thing is, if you keep this up, Cricket is more prone to death than life. Considering she is more vulnerable to behavioural problems from being overbred and bred too young, bone problems because she was bred before her bones fully developed (which means arthritis, etc.), obesity because she is now used to feeding for herself and the pups, cancer because she was never spayed, as well as probably dozens more things. A resposible person would listen to our cautions and say, "Hey, well if there is such a risk, and if my dog will be unhealthy and/or die, that I'm going to do whatever it takes to help keep her alive and well." It seems to me that by the way you bash everyone's comments (everyone who is VERY concered about the welfare of your poor dog who's owner is neglagent enough to let her bring puppy after puppy into this world, causing her emotional and physical harm), that you don't really care if your dog lives or dies.

    I'll tell you where my dogs came from.

    Timber came from a very irresponsable breeder like yourself. She was an "accident" and nobody wanted her because she was the poor little mutt pup in the petshop (who's breeders actually stuck in that hell hole). The little malteses and shi tzus from puppy mills went like crazy but the poor little Timber from the backyard breeder was stuck in her pen with her litter. She was the first to go, a gift from my aunt. All of the other pups stayed for months, the prices went down and down. Now if it was my choice to get a pup and I saw her there as a puppy, I wouldn't take a second look because I would know where she came from. A backyard breeder.

    Leather came from great lines. Her father was a conformation champion, a gorgeous healthy certified and registered german shepherd named Thor. Her mother was a gorgeous white German shepherd, named Ice, who was registered and certified. The litter was a fluke, an accident, but luckily the owners were responsible enough that the breeding dogs had the essentails.

    I'm already talking to the reputable breeder I'm buying my catahoula from when I am older. She gave me the emails of many breeders that are closer to my area, but I turned them all down because they either had only one breeding pair, bred their dogs too much, or didn't seem "serious" about breeding. It seemed like some only wanted to make a living. I am very happy that I chose such a good breeder that they have alot of dogs who have working lines, the dogs are certified, some are show dogs, they are pedigreed and come from wonderful breeders, they don't inbreed, they do it only for the love of the breed and don't put much consideration into the look of the dog, only working ability and so on and so forth.
    I've been BOO'd!

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    I'm already talking to the reputable breeder I'm buying my catahoula from when I am older. She gave me the emails of many breeders that are closer to my area, but I turned them all down because they either had only one breeding pair, bred their dogs too much, or didn't seem "serious" about breeding. It seemed like some only wanted to make a living. I am very happy that I chose such a good breeder that they have alot of dogs who have working lines, the dogs are certified, some are show dogs, they are pedigreed and come from wonderful breeders, they don't inbreed, they do it only for the love of the breed and don't put much consideration into the look of the dog, only working ability and so on and so forth.
    Oh wow that's great wolfsoul!! I love Catahoulas and thank you for presenting a great example (I just wish a certain someone would take the hint *cough cough* )!
    Lauren [me], Kato [rhodesian ridgeback], and Zariah [rhodesian ridgeback]



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    Originally posted by KZSlave
    Oh wow that's great wolfsoul!! I love Catahoulas and thank you for presenting a great example (I just wish a certain someone would take the hint *cough cough* )!
    I know, I'm very excited! It won't be for a few years, but I want to know my breeder before I decide to buy from her. Her dogs are lovely and very well taken care of. Catahoulas are gorgeous, aren't they?!?!

    This is the breeder's site.
    I've been BOO'd!

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    wanna know where my dogs came from?? happy came from a reputable breeder, they do all health tests, they start training as early as 3 weeks old, they start teaching the pups all the basics, they are evaluated and set to apropriot homes and they keep in tough with the buyers and keep tabs of there pups throughout there lives, I know happys breeders very well, and see them every week at least

    misty came from a farm, she is a working border collie, she came from working parents, the pups had a pen outdoors and on warmer days they stayed outside most of the day, so the pups would be accustomed to it since most of the pups were going to working homes which means outdoor dogs, they were well socalized, and the parents were friendy and outgoing, they were also champion stock dogs, and showed an awsome bond to there owners.

    perky came from the shelter for 2 years she was in homes for short times then kicked out onto the streets, she would be adopted and less then a week later end up back in the streets, then we found her, brought her home and how anyone could kick her out I dont know but she would never leave the yard even, she is now an awsome freestyle dog

    Ripley is also from the shelter he was abused and unwanted he ended up in the shelter he is now a champion flyball dog, and very loving and loyal

    shadow was rescued from the streets by our naighbor when she was a pup, they had 8 larg dogs already so they could not keep her, she is a small dog and all theres were large. she was taken away from her mom too early, I assume she is from a BYB she now lives the life of a queen.

    but not ALL dogs are going to end up in a good home.
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    Misty-10 year old BC Happy-12 year old BC Electra-6 year old Toller Rusty- 9 year old JRT X Gem and Gypsy- 10 month ACD X's Toivo-8 year old pearl 'Tiel Marley- 3 year old whiteface Cinnamon pearl 'Tiel Jenny- the rescue bunny Peepers the Dwarf Hotot Miami- T. Marcianus

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    Perky-13 year old mix Ripley-11 year old mix

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    This is the breeder's site.
    Wow! Their dogs are gorgeous and they really seem to have a good breeding program. I would have no problem looking into getting a puppy from them, no problem at all.
    Lauren [me], Kato [rhodesian ridgeback], and Zariah [rhodesian ridgeback]



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    .each year in this country, millions of healthy, adoptable cats and dogs are killed because there are not enough homes for them all.

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    You accuse us of being rude, so guess what I AM gonna be rude.
    YOU NEED TO RUN NOT walk to your vet and GET THAT DOG SPAYED. You are doing one of the most dispicable things in the world. Trying to make a living off of a poor dogs health, reproductive system etc. YES you are a puppy mill.
    Cricket will be much happier and healthier if she is spayed. She is already at an alarming risk for breast, cervical and uterine cancer. Congratulate your family for me. B/c I am sure when she gets that she will be PTS
    I know people who don't claim to care about their animals HALF as much as you do and their dogs are spayed and neutered.
    It is just common sense.
    You come here brag about your dog having trouble giving birth, brag about her only being 3 1/2 and having 6 litters, and EXPECT us to welcome you with open arms? Have you not understood that is is a PET LOVING site?
    I hope the rest of your dogs are fixed. If I knew where you lived I would turn your family into the ASPCA faster than your head would spin.
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    Originally posted by shais_mom
    You accuse us of being rude, so guess what I AM gonna be rude.
    YOU NEED TO RUN NOT walk to your vet and GET THAT DOG SPAYED. You are doing one of the most dispicable things in the world. Trying to make a living off of a poor dogs health, reproductive system etc. YES you are a puppy mill.
    Cricket will be much happier and healthier if she is spayed. She is already at an alarming risk for breast, cervical and uterine cancer. Congratulate your family for me. B/c I am sure when she gets that she will be PTS
    I know people who don't claim to care about their animals HALF as much as you do and their dogs are spayed and neutered.
    It is just common sense.
    You come here brag about your dog having trouble giving birth, brag about her only being 3 1/2 and having 6 litters, and EXPECT us to welcome you with open arms? Have you not understood that is is a PET LOVING site?
    I hope the rest of your dogs are fixed. If I knew where you lived I would turn your family into the ASPCA faster than your head would spin.
    AMEN SISTA, AMEN!

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    Re: Puppy!!!!

    I am so sorry to hear that sweet Cricket had
    problems but very glad that mom and pup are
    doing well.

    It's sad, but recently one of the top AKita breeders,
    (after rushing to the vet) recently lost one of her top CH. female's from complications. Only one of her pups survived, and was cared for by a surrogate bitch.
    It does happen, even with the most experience breeders.

    I am sorry to say, but your family are back-yard breeders.
    I do not know any reputable breeders that breed
    back to back. (I guess you can look at it this way,
    how would you like to be pregnant every 6 months?)

    I hope that Cricket and her pup continue to do well,
    and maybe you can talk your parents in letting
    Cricket spend the rest of her life as a loving pet
    instead of a breeding machine.


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