yogurt drops

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by Jessica12345
we got a big pack (about 4 inch. high and 2 inch. wide) for 5$

Of what? Yogies? Or of Kaytee food? I also use Kaytee food. I use there lab blocks and seed mixes and my ratties love it, expesially there Huney kind, mm mmm.


Ash

[wolf_Q]

I have a small can of Vitakraft choc-yogurt drops for my dogs...I'm not sure if this is the same thing you were referring to. They love them!

[Jessica12345]

yogies

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty



Of what? Yogies? Or of Kaytee food? I also use Kaytee food. I use there lab blocks and seed mixes and my ratties love it, expesially there Huney kind, mm mmm.


Ash

Does their lab blocks contain Ethoyxquin? I am just curious because a friend told me they are going to start using Vitamin E now instead of Ethoxyquin in which all their products would be deemed safe.

[Aspen and Misty]

I dunno. I don't keep the bags. There food goes straight into a container and the bags are throwin away.

Ash

[popcornbird]

OMG! I got like a billion responses!

Here is some of what they say.
They said there have been theories that it is bad, however, it has been added to pet and human foods for decades and has never been proven as a cause of problems. Many of them said their Avian vets recommended Kaytee as a good seed brand for their birds.



Here's what a person said:

The scientific studies show that Ethoxyquin is causes problems in dogs. There haven't been any scientific studies to show that it causes problems in birds. I searched the internet for legitimate scientific studies where there is evidence that this causes problems in birds and I have not been able to find even one. This is an interesting article that seems less prejudiced by all the hype. Hope this helps some. Iris

Here are some links they provided me with.

http://www.lafeber.com/articles/ethoxyquin.htm

http://www.siriusdog.com/ethoxyquin.htm

And here's what one more person said:

"5. Why do you use ethoxyquin as a preservative?
Kaytee does include the preservative or antioxidant, ethoxyquin as an ingredient in the fortified foods and treats we manufacture. The exact® product line contains ethoxyquin or a natural preservative (mixed tocopherols) depending on the product. Antioxidants prevent the destruction of nutrients, and prevent rancidity (fat oxidation) which creates off-flavors and off-odors that dramatically decrease palatability and food consumption. Ethoxyquin is an FDA approved and dependable antioxidant. Kaytee formulates the products with levels of ethoxyquin less than the recommended use and has been tested and fed to over 100 species of birds at the Kaytee Avian Research Center for over 17 years with no related concerns. For more information please see the Kaytee Technical Focus, Antioxidants and Preservatives. "

"Approximately 400 birds at the Kaytee Avian Research Center were maintained at F.D.A. approved levels of ethoxyquin (20% higher than the normal use level) for a period of five years with no unusual neoplastic activity observed. In canines, the most ethoxyquin sensitive species known, levels of approximately four times the approved use levels are required to induce cellular changes indicative of the onset of cancer. Monitoring has been continued at the lower, recommended level for an additional 11 years (16 years in total) without any negative results.

For the last 11 years, over 4,000 exotic birds (100+ species) have been fed recommended levels of ethoxyquin and been monitored (blood chemistry, CBC, etc.) by veterinarians at the Avian Research Center. Any mortality experience in the flock has been specifically evaluated by histopathology for ethoxyquin-specific changes that will occur in liver tissue when toxic levels are present. To date, no ethoxyquin-related tissue changes have occurred, even in the 16 year feeding group. This is the only test ever conducted on ethoxyquin use in psittacine species and is now one of the longest and largest tests conducted in any specie. There is no legitimate reason to believe that any of the commercial antioxidants are a significant risk compared to the risk of unprotected food products. "

-this is from http://www.kaytee.com/ask_the_expert...preservatives/

I am guessing this is a 'yes'


http://www.kaytee.com/ask_the_experts/faq/

I feel much better now. What do you all think?

[luckies4me]

Oh no! You shouldn't do that. If your pet (any kind) should happen to get suddenly ill sometimes the vets ask you what is in the ingredients to determine if there is a certain reaction to food etc.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by luckies4me
Oh no! You shouldn't do that. If your pet (any kind) should happen to get suddenly ill sometimes the vets ask you what is in the ingredients to determine if there is a certain reaction to food etc.

Shouldn't do what?

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by popcornbird
OMG! I got like a billion responses!

Here is some of what they say.
They said there have been theories that it is bad, however, it has been added to pet and human foods for decades and has never been proven as a cause of problems. Many of them said their Avian vets recommended Kaytee as a good seed brand for their birds.



Here's what a person said:



I feel much better now. What do you all think?

Um...... I posted most of that myself. Yes some people don't think it is bad but a LOT do and I simply won't take the chanc, and PCB if you KNEW pellets are a much better diet than seeds.

[popcornbird]

Ohhhhhhhhhh. You mean throw the bag away? I do that too!

[luckies4me]

PCB: This whole topic was about rats, and how Ethoxyquin is bad for rats which is all the study I have done...and on dogs.

If you feel it is safe for your birds by all means use Kaytee...but I won't use it for my rats. Like I said we always fed our tiels Kaytee when we bred them. Now though all our birds are fed pellets which are a lot healthier.


BTW I see you figured it out lol so I won't say anything about your question.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by luckies4me



Um...... I posted most of that myself. Yes some people don't think it is bad but a LOT do and I simply won't take the chanc, and PCB if you KNEW pellets are a much better diet than seeds.

I KNOW about pellets and I KNOW what my birds need to eat. My birds don't eat only seed. They eat a variety of veggies, rice, whole grain bread, and other healthy foods along with seeds. Seeds are a neccessity, but should not be the only thing a bird gets. Pellets are recommended for birds that do not get other foods in their diet, but even then, it is recommended that they still get seed in their diet. I know what my birds need to eat. I've had them for 3 1/2 years, did tons of research, asked the vet MANY times. My birds eat a very balanced healthy diet. I asked the vet and the people on the cockatiel board if they have to have pellets, and they said its important if they don't eat enough veggies and other foods along with their seeds. My birds LOVE veggies and eat it everyday. And I posted what they said because I promised to let everyone know what they were saying. I like to get more opinions than one, ok? I know you were talking about rats, but I became concerned, hoping that wouldn't be the case with birds too, and wanted to make sure.

[luckies4me]

You don't really have to keep the bag, I have a list of ingredients I write down for each new food. Once I bought these neat little birdy and small animal treats (they sell them at Petsmart) and in two hours after feeding them to my birds they both died within 30 minutes of eachother....and I had had these budgies for years!


The only way we figured out what the problem was was by looking at the ingredients in the treats...which contains some kind of chemical preservative.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by luckies4me
You don't really have to keep the bag, I have a list of ingredients I write down for each new food. Once I bought these neat little birdy and small animal treats (they sell them at Petsmart) and in two hours after feeding them to my birds they both died within 30 minutes of eachother....and I had had these budgies for years!


The only way we figured out what the problem was was by looking at the ingredients in the treats...which contains some kind of chemical preservative.

OMG! WHAT WAS THAT TREAT?

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by popcornbird


I KNOW about pellets and I KNOW what my birds need to eat. My birds don't eat only seed. They eat a variety of veggies, rice, whole grain bread, and other healthy foods along with seeds. Seeds are a neccessity, but should not be the only thing a bird gets. Pellets are recommended for birds that do not get other foods in their diet, but even then, it is recommended that they still get seed in their diet. I know what my birds need to eat. I've had them for 3 1/2 years, did tons of research, asked the vet MANY times. My birds eat a very balanced healthy diet. I asked the vet and the people on the cockatiel board if they have to have pellets, and they said its important if they don't eat enough veggies and other foods along with their seeds. My birds LOVE veggies and eat it everyday. And I posted what they said because I promised to let everyone know what they were saying. I like to get more opinions than one, ok? I know you were talking about rats, but I became concerned, hoping that wouldn't be the case with birds too, and wanted to make sure.

Umm... I don't know where you get off saying I said you don't know how to feed your birds. I know you take care of them well or else they wouldn't look healthy..and I have seen your pics of them, they look healthy. So you don't have to give me the roll eyes effect ok? I never said you didn't know how to take care of your pets....you are about the only person I talk to that has actually done research on their birds!