Some Dick Cheney jokes..

[Edwina's Secretary]

Gosh LH...you, Dick Cheney, the NRA and the gun safety groups disagree. ALL have said it is the fault of the guy who shots the gun. The 78 year old man was behind Cheney.

And in fact there are "rules of the road" for hunting. Check here... Rules

Cheney felt his hostess for the killing of harmless animals should make the press announcement. Guess he was too chicken...or quail as the case may be.

I think 24 hours is a long time not to mention the vice president of the United States shot someone. And I think four days is a long time to duck the press.

But most of all....I cannot tell you how appalling it is that anyone would consider the 78 year old victim at fault. As a woman that hits just a little too close to home.

[lizbud]

ES, if the person who was shot approached the hunting party without announcing his presence, he wasn't following normal guidelines. Just like the person who backs out without looking and gets hit is at fault, but there's no hunting insurance to make people follow the "rules of the woods" as it were.

This is not true according to Indiana Hunters I've heard from. It is the
responsibilty of the shooter to know where his fellow hunters are before
shooting. The usual custom is to wait for those retrieving birds to join
back up with the party before resuming the shoot.

I did get to read the pdf file published of the actual shooting report. It did
have marked that both shooters had on orange jackets & hats. Cheney
just got very careless.

[RICHARD]

A spooked bird doesn't fly straight up into the air.

It probably will fly a nap-of-the-earth take-off pattern..watch any bird that you happen to walk up to .......I can see where someone could get shot by breaking the simple rules ..

you don't bother with anything outside of the 10 and 2 o'clock positions.....

Also, some of the questions and reports from the media were pretty stupid.

Some people were reporting buckshot.......some were reporting the style of hunt...

If anything the delay allowed the media to get some of the facts.

I think the media was more of a threat to that dude! Heaven forbid they kill the poor old guy......Just like the way that they brought those poor miners "back-to-life" ....

And I think four days is a long time to duck the press.

Hey, that was punny!!

[Lady's Human]

ES, living in an area where hunting is commonplace and it's normal coffee shop discussion, and having spent plenty of hours in the woods while in Tx, the general attitude is that the person who came up to the group without announcing his presence is in the wrong. The VP is in the wrong for letting himself get "target locked" and not paying attention to the area around his target. In other words, there's plenty of blame to share, but the person who was shot bears responsibility in this as well. Sorry, ES, but this is not an impeachable offense.

[RICHARD]

My father's advice?


Don't be stupid when you hold a gun..
Should you be, you better run.
Don't hesitate, just hit the gas.
Cos when I catch you, I'll kick your ......



I feared my dad more, than I did the actual gun.

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My dad was well into his 70's and routinely out-shot kids 40 years younger than him.

At the competitions men would regularly complain that it wasn't fair to shoot against him...."He won everything..."

So, I would go hunting with Cheney any day of the week.....The Dickster reminds me of my old man..


Quiet, devious and able to hit what he pointed a gun at.

[Edwina's Secretary]

So, I would go hunting with Cheney any day of the week.....The Dickster reminds me of my old man..


Quiet, devious and able to hit what he pointed a gun at.

So he was aiming at the 78 year old victim??????

He claimed in his news conference today that he doesn't know if the bird was hit or not.

LH....how is it that every gun group INCLUDING THE NRA says it absolutely was not the 78 year old victim's fault....but you know better.

But I've heard you line of reasoning before....she shouldn't have been on that dark street.....

Where and when did I suggest an impeachable offense btw?????......stupid, cruel, careless, arrogant, dishonest, sneaky, less than honorable...but not impeachable. (Now if he had had sex with the quail....)

Please don't put words in my mouth.

[Lady's Human]

ES, I wasn't putting words in your mouth, just proceeding to the logical conclusion to your constant barrage of negative comments about the current administration.

The NRA has actually been remarkably silent on the matter, and the NRA does NOT speak for all hunters. I've been hunting in groups, and the #1 rule is you do NOT allow yourself to be separated from the group, and if you do leave the group, you let everyone know where you are going, and let everyone know when you are coming back, normally with a hand signal.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Odd....I thought that when quail hunting, the accepted practice is for the entire line to halt when one party falls back and wait until that party catches up with the line. Not go off shooting when you do not know the position of another member of the line. This is not warfare. It is the killing of farm raised birds. They don't shoot back. Self-defense is not required...from the birds anyway. If you don't know where a member of your party is...you don't shoot.

At least that is how hunting is done correctly where I come from.

Is there anything this administration could do that you would find unseemly? War...okay....torture...okay...lying....okay...inv ading countries....okay....shooting friends...okay

I grew up in the country. I know careless hunters. We had to protect our animals from them.

And perhaps, if this administration did not make it so easy I would not take so many shots.....

[Lady's Human]

The war was justified, I have yet to see nonpartisan proof of any lies regarding WMD (Too much info for too long from too many different sources that they had them), the incidents at Abu Ghirab were caused by a POS chain of command. What have they screwed up? Prescription drug coverage (an in effective feel good that accomplished nothing except breaking the budget but both parties made hay with it), bloated spending (Please, Mr. President, is there a budget that you'll VETO?), and above all, ineffective communication.

[RICHARD]

So he was aiming at the 78 year old victim??????

That was a joke...

One of the local talk show hosts was getting emails stating that this chap was going to get worse while in the hospital...........Here come the conspiracy theories-CHeney wanted him dead..

Wouldn't it be easier to do the Clintonesque kinda assassination attempt? suicide or plane crash?

An accident is an accident.

Do I think that the press was stonewalled?

Who cares? As long as I didn't pull the trigger and no one was killed, so what?

I pray for the poor guy and think Cheney may want to take up bocce or skittles.....I was going to suggest darts but then again....

[Edwina's Secretary]

I have yet to see any non-partisan proof of the justification for the war. I have yet to see any non-partisan proof of truth having been told about WMD, any non-partisan justification for the outing of covert agents. I have yet to see any non-partisan justification for electronic spying (like George Washington did.... ) on American citizens without warrants. I have yet to see this administration do anything non-partisan.

Mr. Cheney's personal conduct in this situation has not been honorable. I thought in the last administration it was establish that personal conduct of politicians is fair game. Or is that partisan as well?

[Edwina's Secretary]

That was a joke...

An accident is an accident.

Do I think that the press was stonewalled?

Who cares? As long as I didn't pull the trigger and no one was killed, so what?

I pray for the poor guy and think Cheney may want to take up bocce or skittles.....I was going to suggest darts but then again....

My response was a joke too....

Sorry my blood is boiling over this blame the victim attitude.

Who cares? Geez...I assume the same people who cared about who Bill Clinton had sex with....

But an accident is NOT an accident. Too many years of worker comp experience for me to let you slide by with that one. MAYBE...getting struck by lightening is an accident. Carelessness, inattention, overconfidence....lots of reason...but accidents don't JUST HAPPEN....

[Lady's Human]

Non partisan proof of WMD in Iraq:


Jane's Defense weekly (Sort of a privately owned intel agency), various articles from the mid 80's to present.

European Intelligence services, in a constant chorus throughout the '90s

Valerie Plame outed herself to her neighbors. (if you're a covert op, your neighbors don't know you work for the CIA)

Electronic spying without a warrant? Yeah, I'm REALLY upset with JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton (Echelon ring a bell?), and the current admin for that, but I've yet to see a non partisan legal opinion on whether listening in on calls originating outside the US is covered. Besides, if the administration thought what they were doing was illegal, all they had to do was ask another country to share the intel with us (after pointing them in the right direction, after all ELINT and decryption has been a British game for years)

I thought President Clinton's conduct in his personal life was abysmal, but it didn't rise to the level of impeachment. Perjury barely did, given the case involved, but there were things he did that had nothing to do with his personal life that DID rise to the level of impeachment. (Look up China's launch success rate prior to 1992 and after the LORAL tech sale was approved, and find an estimate of their missile CEP (circular error probability) prior to and in the years after that "civilian" tech transfer) Prior to the transfer the high end of their CEP was 3KM, now the high end is 500m. In other words, they used to be able to hit California, now they can hit the Chinese Theater. Prior to the tech transfer, they couldn't get a missile off the ground more than 50% of the time. Now their systems are fairly reliable.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Kinda impeachment obsessed aren't you?

Can you really...with a straight face....call Jane Defense Weekly non-partisan???? Or are you counting on me being too stupid to know what it is????

And I get my news from the very non-partisan The Daily Show.....

[Lady's Human]

JDW is very non partisan, they call a spade a spade. It is extremely well thought of by the MI world, and hated as well. Janes annual reviews are in the libraries of every Joint Staff that can acquire them. They essentially "outed" the F-117 program,(resulting in a USAF Major having a revoked clearance and wings removed) and have acted as a commercial intel agency for decades, living off the sales of their intel.

I like Jon Stewart, he's an on air version of Berk Breathed.