Why Won't Bush Speak To Her?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Now I get it! If I call groups who support the war in Iraq..."Fanatical far right-wing nuts" that is not inflamatory nor insulting to anyone here who might hold those same views.

I am also curious as to which groups you know her to be associated with that you would characterize as "fanatical far left-wing nuts?"

In case I want a membership.....

[popcornbird]

Debbie....those 'sayings' you posted are some of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad. Just so you know. Truly words of wisdom to live by.

[Lady's Human]

For starters, the President has already spoken to the woman one on one in the white house shortly after her son was killed. After the meeting she initially spoke highly of the President.

Some time after, her story changed. She decided that she was completely against the President, and has made no statement why she has changed her mind completely on the issue. I frankly don't buy the "I was grieving and in shock at the time, now I'm just grieving and have recovered from the shock" line. I know people who have been killed and wounded in Iraq, and still haven't changed my core beliefs on the issue.

Should he speak with her again? Yes, please show her to be the media whore she truly is. In an interview with Kieth Oberman (MSNBC), she stated that she didn't want the President to speak with her at this point becase it would defuse the issue.

Somehow in all this, the media has forgotten that SPC Sheehan has other family members who are highly incensed at the path she has chosen. The media has ignored the fact that the current "spontaneous protest" is anything but spontaneous, but was set up with assistance from Moveon.org and other groups.

As far as criticising the President for being on vacation for a month, name any office besides POTUS that "being on vacation" means doing everything you would normally do at the office, but just doing it from your home instead of from the office. All his staff and communications gear go with him wherever he goes. There is no "vacation" from being Commander in Chief, just the same things to deal with in a different venue.

[lbaker]

I had a loose- wing nut once and the whole contraption fell down upon me. Learned that day to keep my nuts tight and my mind open.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Originally posted by Lady's Human
As far as criticising the President for being on vacation for a month, name any office besides POTUS that "being on vacation" means doing everything you would normally do at the office, but just doing it from your home instead of from the office. All his staff and communications gear go with him wherever he goes. There is no "vacation" from being Commander in Chief, just the same things to deal with in a different venue.

Well...just about any corporate CEO, and many executives I have kown for starters. Only they don't have quite as many people to carry their bags.... and it is five weeks....

[Lady's Human]

ES, no one is criticizing the Corp execs for doing it, and they have less to worry about. Besides, a Corp exec can turn out the comms for a day, the POTUS cannot.

[Samantha Puppy]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
[B]Now I get it! If I call groups who support the war in Iraq..."Fanatical far right-wing nuts" that is not inflamatory nor insulting to anyone here who might hold those same views.[/i]

I know you're being sarcastic but yes. Why? Because no one here is a fanatic - or at least, has not made it known. I happen to LIKE President Bush and support the war. I, however, do not agree with the fanatical approach to anything - left- or right-wing.

Let me put this on a different scale. It's no secret that we're all animal lovers here. We all want to see animals treated kindly and animal cruelty and suffering end, right? Just because we want the same end result as PETA [claims they want], does that make us just as fanatical? Not in my eyes. There are differences in opposition and support. I'm talking of the nutjobs here - EITHER SIDE. The PETA people of the war effort.

I am also curious as to which groups you know her to be associated with that you would characterize as "fanatical far left-wing nuts?"

I don't remember the names offhand, so give me a day or two to research it and find the sources I got this information from. Basically, they were the American left-wing version of the crazy religious groups over in Northern Ireland, like the IRL (I think that's one of them). I will either come back to this thread, or if it's dead by then, PM you.

[Pam]

I just heard on the news that she is leaving her *post* because she has found out her mother has suffered a stroke and has gone to be with her. It will be interesting to see if the crowds disperse. I doubt it. They have an agenda and it is not standing beside her and supporting her in her grief.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I don't remember the names offhand, so give me a day or two to research it and find the sources I got this information from. Basically, they were the American left-wing version of the crazy religious groups over in Northern Ireland, like the IRL (I think that's one of them). I will either come back to this thread, or if it's dead by then, PM you.

I assume you are referring to the IRA (Irish Republican Army.) I'm not sure religious would be an adjective to describe the IRA. Generally speaking, religious and left-wing don't go together real well. The IRA's cause is independence from England. Don't know if that makes them religious or left-wing.....

[Lady's Human]

ES, My examples of fanatical nutjobs on both sides.....

Left wing nujobs:


Earth liberation Front (their actions don't even make sense......supporting the environment by torching vehicles, homes etc. and thus releasing toxic pollutants into the environment is pro environment?)

Animal liberation front: releasing animals into the wild to die....that's pro animal?

ACLU....They'll fight any case involving the First amendment, but won't touch ANY second amendment case. We're for civil rights, but we'll pick and choose the parts of the constitution we support.

Right wing nutjobs:

Pat Buchanan's America first party.........Pat buchanan , enough said.

the KKK, Church of the Creator, White Knights, and other racist right wing twits. David Duke, Nuff said

[Samantha Puppy]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary


I assume you are referring to the IRA (Irish Republican Army.) I'm not sure religious would be an adjective to describe the IRA. Generally speaking, religious and left-wing don't go together real well. The IRA's cause is independence from England. Don't know if that makes them religious or left-wing..... [/B]

<banging head on desk> I never said that their interests were the same... I was trying to draw a parallel between the fanatical approaches they use to try and get their [DIFFERENT] points across.

[caseysmom]

Samantha's puppy...I understood what you meant, sorry I misunderstood or took it the wrong way before.

I agree that we need to finish what we started, to me though I can't imagine anyone being "for" a war, there is death involved. I realize when people say that they probably mean that they are "for" a solution and war is the only viable one in their opinion.

Please don't bang your head against the wall..you need to relax and enjoy yourself so your little guy grows up healthy.

[Prairie Purrs]

My, my. So many people are all upset because a mother wants an explanation of why her son died.

Given that the rationalizations given by Bush & Co. have shifted several times since Cindy Sheehan's meeting with Bush in the aftermath of her son's death (9/11! No, WMD! No, freedom for the Iraqis!), I think she deserves to know what the real story is.

As do we all.

Who are the people standing with Cindy? Many of them are military families and veterans who don't think we should have started this war. I've thought about going myself, but couldn't pull it off financially.

And as for any comparison between a peaceful protest and terrorism, well, by that standard Gandhi was a terrorist. That's some pretty shaky logic.

Go ahead and call me names if you want to. I'll keep standing with Cindy--I want some answers.

[Edwina's Secretary]

LH...you never know....the ACLU may be just the group to help you get your New York State driver's license.....

[Lady's Human]

ES, no, there is going to be a bill introduced in the next session of the legislature to deal with the issue. By then I will have gotten a new SS card and it will be a moot point for me. Besides, the ACLU wouldn't touch my case with a 10 foot pole.