Annoying kid at the Dog Park.. -vent-

[ILoveMyAbbyGirl]

I sense a problem here... what is it? One or the other.

Don't get me wrong my animals are definetely like one of my children.

I love my animals very much but there is no way they are equal to my children sorry but to me that is absurd.

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by caseysmom
I think I have a right to my opinion.

Yes you do and I've stated mine just as you've stated yours. But, you shouldn't be calling everyone child haters. That's way too general, as I tried to explain in the last entry.
I agree with cali and binka_nugget

[binka_nugget]

To each their own.

Originally posted by cali
I personaly hold animals higher then most people and equal to a few. that is MY opinion, certainly not evreybodys that I know very well.

Hah! Me too! I, personally, have very little patience for kids.. or people for that matter. My furkids have taught me to be more patient around people but.. still, people don't even come close to my furkids. I don't *hate* all kids.. I just don't like being around them when I can avoid it.

[DJFyrewolf36]

Im just adding my two cents here...

I am one of those people who value an animals life and livelihood over most people. There is a distinct reason for this, however. People decide of thier own free will to do malicious things to other people. Animals don't do this the overwhelming majority of the time. Now I agree there is the argument that animals are "dumber" than people and don't have things like emotions etc. There are studies out there that suggest that some animals *domestic animals even* are higher on the intelegence * in both "smart" intelegence and emotional intelegence* food chain than some people graduating public school. Now don't think Im some sort of freaksish people hater just because I prefer the company of animals. Animals simply either lack the ability to or decide not to act in a manner that is annoying. If I chose to associate with beings that dont P**s me off, than thats my right.


I am of the firm belief that you do not own an animal. You CARE for the animal providing for it in a manner as one would a child. You feed the animal, you provide it shelter, keep it clean, make sure it behaves in a manner that is acceptable etc etc. The only difference is with a human child you can boot the little snot out the door at a cirtian age, with an animal you cant. Ownership implies that the animal is a thing. People *ok most people, but there ARE execptions* don't get emotional over "things" do they? This kind of tells you something about how people feel about pets. Pets in a way ARE children, if you care for something and tend to its needs long enough you will feel an emotional attachment of some kind. I fail to see how that is absurd.

I for one would be furrious if someone decided to harrass my dog or my child, and I would be furrious equally. Thats just how I feel.

I apologise in advance for any remarks anyone finds offensive.

[caseysmom]

Originally posted by ILoveMyAbbyGirl
I sense a problem here... what is it? One or the other.

My point is that I take care of my animals and love them like they are one of my children BUT they are not equal to my human children....sorry some folks are really nutty on here I am outta here. and by the way...YOU ARE ALL HUMANS AND WERE ONCE CHILDREN...AND YOU ARE REALLY RUDE TO ME MAYBE IF I WAS A DOG HMMMMMM

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by caseysmom
My point is that I take care of my animals and love them like they are one of my children BUT they are not equal to my human children....sorry some folks are really nutty on here I am outta here.

TRUE, we were all once children. Heck, I still am. But, I was brought up to show RESPECT to animals, and I know I would never, ever behave like that little brat did; or I would be in big trouble. Why are we nutty? I never said I had a problem with ALL children; maybe you should re-read it.

Originally posted by caseysmom
YOU ARE ALL HUMANS AND WERE ONCE CHILDREN...

Like I said, your opinion may differ from ours, because you have human children. BUT, "just because it's a child that was doing this", does that make it right? NO. Children who are mean to animals and are not disciplined for it, can grow up to be "bad adults".

Like Twisterdog said, stupid people shouldn't breed.

[chocolatepuppy]

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Originally posted by caseysmom
YOU ARE ALL HUMANS AND WERE ONCE CHILDREN...
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And when I was a child I was made to behave!Too many children today(not all) are brats!I prefer not to be around brats! And my animals are my children.

[Kfamr]

I don't see how anyone here could "hate kids" when a majority of those being accused of such ARE kids.


And I don't see how any of us are being rude to YOU when YOU are the one calling us absurd and nutty.

[spunkymeow]

Those who do not appreciate children, are selfish people that have not yet grown up themselves. Those who do not appreciate animals, do not appreciate any kind of life, period. And probably never will. That's strictly my opinion. Do not judge me for it. I respect everyone here at Pet Talk.

Thanks.

[chocolatepuppy]

I am not a selfish person.

[Denyce]

Excuse me spunkymeow? I am a selfish person who hasn't grown up because I prefer not to be around children?

You are obviously someone who hasn't had the type of experience with children that I have had or you wouldn't have made such a narrow minded statement as that.

I don't tell alot of my life on this board because that is not the type of person I am. But here is one aspect of that.

My mother divorced my father when I was 18. She remarried into a family of sociopaths. Not all children are born full of sweetness and light. Some are born evil, some are born not totally evil but without the ability to FEEL right from wrong. They do not have a concious. They know in their minds what is right from wrong but they can't feel it so they never feel any guilt for the pain they cause other living beings. I say it that way because it often starts as animal abuse.

Now please...understand this...I am not saying ALL CHILDREN ARE EVIL. I am saying that some are born "wrong" and some aren't. Some are made that way by environment rather than genetics.

My stepfather is a mild sociopath and an abuser. He wasn't a physical abuser but an emotional one. He used to love to torment my mother. When his life was feeling out of control for some reason he would find ways to make her miserable. He would do something simple like take her glasses from the nightstand or endtable where she had left them and hide them for HOURS. Sometimes days. Then when he got tired of his little game and had gathered all the joy he could watching her tear the house apart looking for her glasses he would make them appear right where he had taken them in plain sight. You have no idea of how cruel that is until you have lived it.
My oldest step brother was slightly worse. One day when he was sixteen he ran over a kitten with his bicycle. He came home crying. Not because he hurt the kitten but because people who saw it were calling him a monster. When asked about the accident he said the kitten was in his way. He didn't think it was fair that people thought he was horrible. They could see he could have avoided the kitten but chose not too. He didn't care about the kitten. He said it should have gotten out of his way on the sidewalk.
My youngest step brother was the worst. He was diagnosed as having a conduct disorder with undersocialized aggression. In other words he is a murdering pyschopath. He tried to kill my 2 year old cousin when he was only 7. He cut the hair off of a 4 year old girl so close to the scalp that he cut the scalp. He snuck into my mom's bedroom at night and hit her over the head with a baseball bat. Luckily he was still young and not strong enough to do permanent damage. They all had to start locking their doors at night. He tried tripping his father through a sliding glass door. He also would turn on the gas on the stove and blow out the pilots at night. He was institutionalized as a danger to society at the age of NINE!!!!!
Don't now think to attack as to why nothing was done to help this disgusting individual. They went through EXTENSIVE counsling with him starting at the age of FOUR.
Last I heard he was in New Mexico studying Pre-med. He is smart enough to become a very good physician. He can now kill and not get caught. He never changed he just got better at hiding what he was doing and making it look like others were doing it. Because all of this started when he was a minor it is all locked away. None of it touching his adult life. Nothing has to be reported. We don't know where he is now. He doesn't know where my mom and I are.
There was only one decent person that came out of that family. He is my step fathers nephew. But then...he was adopted so he doesn't share any genetic material with them.

So don't tell me I am selfish because I choose not to APPRECIATE all children. I APPRECIATE those that are decent, kind, gentle children. I don't just assume that because a child is a child that it is worth my time, effort or caring. There are many many children out there that are good. caseysmom's daughter sounds like she is one of them. I know that there are many others. But......there are also many out there like my step family. They can look like little angels with blond curls and dimples yet they have nothing good inside. I know this. I have lived it. I could go into much greater detail but there is a length limit and this isn't what this thread is about. They are the Hitlers and the Jeffery Daumers and the rest of those ilk.

Denyce

[Tonya]

Originally posted by Denyce
...Now please...understand this...I am not saying ALL CHILDREN ARE EVIL. I am saying that some are born "wrong" and some aren't. Some are made that way by environment rather than genetics.

My stepfather is a mild sociopath and an abuser. He wasn't a physical abuser but an emotional one....

I really don't want to jump in this debate,but I have one thing to throw in. I don't think that any child is born wrong. It sounds like your stepfather probably screwed them up.

[Denyce]

I am sorry. But I believe some children are born wrong. Just like there are physical differences there are also emotional ones. Not all sociopath children come from bad parents or even parents with the same problem and not all children that are born to abusive parents become sociopaths. Annnddd...not all abusers are sociopaths. Some just have control issues. You can't lump anything all into one catagory or another and you can't exclude that some children are just missing a crucial componant to their emotional health when born. Some manage to overcome this and still go on to lead good lives. But many do not.

The entire family of my stepfather is this way to some extent or another. The grandparents, the sisters, the children. Like I said..the only one who wasn't is the nephew whom my stepfathers sister adopted. He is a truly good person raised by these people and still managed to become a loving husband and father who wouldn't hurt anything intentionally. But he doesn't have the same genetic material.

It is an issue that so many people don't want to believe because they want to believe that SOMETHING could be done to save these "poor innocent souls". But sometimes there are things that are NOT in our control and never will be. Unless you have lived it you can't possibly understand how truly terrifying it is. I have met families torn to pieces by a child that they can't trust not to try and kill them. I didn't know these people as well as my step family but on the surface they didn't appear to be anything other than parents that only wanted the best for this child they created. There was extensive individual counsling, group therapy, family counsling...etc etc etc. I understand your wanting to think that no child could be born wrong, that it is all environment.....arrgh...I am not going to say anymore. I lived it, you didn't.

[swimma253]

Originally posted by cali
EVERYONE has a right to their opinion.

I personaly hold animals higher then most people and equal to a few. that is MY opinion, certainly not evreybodys that I know very well.

I agree. Now dont get me wrong... I love little kids... I think they are cute. But I DO NOT love misbehaved little moster kids. They tend to drive me nuts... as they do most people. I should not be one to talk... becaue I myself am still a kid. I am only 14.

I myself... hold animals to a higher position than people. They dont talk back, they always listen, most are tolerant of allot of things and just plain friendly. Their do things in ways that we cant becaues they cant talk. They understand our feelings, although they do not understand our language.

Maybe my opinion would be different if I had a child of my own. But right now that is just how I feel.

Carly

[ParNone]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I haven't had any issues with kids to that extreme. I've actually had worse experiences with other dogs. The day those 2 Great Pyrnees attacked Oz, I felt helpless, because as I focused on one, Oz was being attacked by the other. Only the owner stepping in and grabbing her dogs saved us. Now if it's an unruly kid, I just remove my dogs from the situation. I've had kids at my house and if I feel like they're getting to be too much for the dogs, I put the dogs in the bedroom. Problem solved. Inconvenient yes, but better for the dogs in the long run.

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