who here is against breeders (all animals?)

[lisalee]

Originally posted by jenluckenbach



Every animal that is produced by a breeder (even a totally responsible breeder) that goes on to find its forever home takes away the possibility that a shelter or homeless animal (that has already been born due to irresponsible people) will NOT find its forever home and will more than likely die. There are only SO many homes available. The cycle must STOP!

I totally agree !! I'm very much against breeding. It truly breaks my heart that people would choose to buy a purebred animal over adopting from a shelter. That's very sad.


Lisa & Sash

[cali]

I just don't understand WHY we need breeds. Yes they are pretty...

while kennel clubs like AKC make being pretty th epoint of breeds before they made breeds "pretty"(which I personaly hate the look of show dogs) they were different breeds existed for a PURPOSE. and prancing around a ring was never one of those purposes.many breeds are STILL used for there original purpose. border collies are herding dogs, they are a mix of several breeds to creat the perfect working dog. and BCs are still NEEDED today. and any old mutt cannot work like a BC. in fact only 3 in the whole world have EVER been able to prove themselves to be as good as a BC. spanials are still used for hunting and they are nothing like those "pretty" versions that are usless. anyway my point is that their are very good reasons for actual "breeds" to exist. now show dogs have absolutly zero reason to exist, prancing around a ring looking pretty is hardly nessisary in life lol.

anyway I am one of the few people FOR breeders. while I am against BYBs and PMs as long as "responsable" breeders make is difficult to get a puppy BYBs and PMs will never go away. what many people consider resposable breeders are what keep BYBs and PMs running. now I know most of you will not agree but think about it. by the standerds of many, a responable breeders is one that is very picky, breeds to the show standerd, and most of all NEVER breeds mixes. well hate to break it to ya but there are plenty of people who want specific mixes and as the responsable breeders wont provide them, the BYBs and PMs WILL. do you honestly believe that denying someone a puppy that they will give up? nope, they TRIED a good breeder, but they were turned down, so they head to a BYB or PM, you mid as well say " sorry you cant have no puppy of mine, but why do you try the pet shop?" as much as you guys would like everyone to go the the shelter, it aint gonna happen.

[Snuggles]

as much as you guys would like everyone to go the the shelter, it aint gonna happen.

Agreed - most would rather know the history of an animal before purchasing. One of our dogs is from a breeder & one is from a shelter. & while all dogs are different, I can know that our shelter dog was abused before we got him. Doesnt make me love him any less, but it sure makes it hard to use him in 4h showmanship.

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by jenluckenbach
Every animal that is produced by a breeder (even a totally responsible breeder) that goes on to find its forever home takes away the possibility that a shelter or homeless animal (that has already been born due to irresponsible people) will NOT find its forever home and will more than likely die. There are only SO many homes available. The cycle must STOP!

I agree with this, also.

[binka_nugget]

I'm not against (RESPONSIBLE) breeders. I think dogs that do what they were bred for is great. If you stuck a Great Dane out on a field with a bunch of sheep, you're probably not going to get the sheep to go where you want it to go. Stick a (well bred) herding dog out there, and it'll get the job done. This is the only reason why I think breeds should still exist. Of course, not many of us live with lots of land with many sheep to move but there are people with specific things they'd like to do with their dogs. Personally, I'd like a herding/agility/fast flyball/obedience dog with a medium-long coat that can live in an apartment and is people/animal friendly and tolerant with young children. One perfect breed comes to mind and would fit in amazingly IF it is well-bred. Take away the breed, and I'm taking chances of possibly getting a dog that would fit well in my family.

I own two purebreds, one from a breeder and one from a shelter. Both purebreds none the less. Both are complete opposites. One is active, the other acts like a couch potatoe. One learns in minutes, the other learns in weeks. One has herding instinct, the other couldn't herd if his life depended on it. Both are of the same breed yet are extremely different. I know the rescue couldn't have come from a good breeder because the breeder would have taken him back when the family decided they didn't want him anymore. The well bred one is exactly what we had in mind and fits in perfectly with us. The rescue is co-existing well with us (only after months and months of training, which the average pet owner probably wouldn't do).

Anyways, I'm not against responsible breeders. Responsible breeders by my definition also rescue, don't make nearly enough from puppies to make a living out of breeding, get all necessary tests done and only continue on a line of well-bred dogs being exactly what they should be.

However, I do understand where a lot of you are coming from. I'm all for rescuing! I love mixes and I love purebreds. People have different expectations and needs. Some are flexible with what type of dog they want and some are extremely specific. It's a personal preference. For my first dog, I wanted a dog that I knew would have a steady temperment and be what the breed should be. We wanted to raise it from a puppy and have it become a well fitted family member. For the second dog, I was ready for surprises. And surprises, I got. I got aggression and major dominancy. Not what I wanted in my first dog but I felt I was ready for this one, however it turned out.

I'm not against responsible breeders. I'm against puppy mills and bybs who ruin it for all of us.

I hope no one takes that the wrong way. Just my two cents on the breed topic.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by wolfie
Someone has actually said to me on another board, something along the lines of "I am not adding to the dog overpopulation because people who buy my purebred dogs don't want a dirty mutt from the pound"

That makes me sick.

I don't think i'll EVER get a dog from a breeder. EVER.
Even to have a dog from the shelter, who will possibly have problems such as aggression, timid, shy and so on... Breaking them out of that and turning them into a happy dog is the most rewarding thing there could ever possibly be. More rewarding than any prize or sum of money. Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy working with my dogs, and I enjoy having to go that extra step to make them into a bouncing happy "pet me pet me!" dog.

My neighbors spent hundreds on their dog, had her flown from Seattle when they purchased her. They've had her for about a year, and she's worse than Nala EVER was at her age.


I'm not so much for responsible breeders, as I said in my first post, I'd much rather see breeding stop until there's no need for dog shelters and rescues. But, i'm much more for responsible breeders than I am PM's and BYB's


*no offense to anyone* but I just can't see why people care about what breed they're getting when dogs, cats, and all sorts of animals are dying in kill shelters.

[catmandu]

I cannot be against Ethical breeders,as taht is hoe John Hancock, Rocca Baton , andBJ came to be at The Hotel,as she is excellent,about finding Good Homes,for her Older Cats!

[primabella]

[edit] I deleted my original reply because I figured that people may take some of my points and argue against them, which is not what I was looking for.

I'll leave it like this: I respect all of your opinions and I hope you all respect mine. This is a tricky subject which we will not all agree on.. we all see it a bit differently. No need to try and convince the other to think how we do because it won't happen. However I do believe that there should be more enforcement on taking good care of your pets in order to prevent the overpopulation in shelters, rather than bad mouthing breeders of any kinds. That's the real problem here. [/edit]

[isis]

Good Breeders, no. BYB and puppy mills, yes. I don't think we got Emma from a very good breeder. I think she was just breeding for the money. Although she is a very good dog. I just look at it like we saved her.

[sirrahbed]

I have never been to a breeder as my kitties are all rescues or strays and it is hard to justify breeders in my own mind - but I also know that it is probably necessary to keep the more exotic bloodlines pure. I think they should have very strict guidelines though, and be professional - not a hobby at all! I really like the aby and fold cats breeds but cannot imagine spending so much money on them when I see so many abandoned kitties at out shelters. I have been to some catshows also - and though they are interesting to me - I always feel a little sorry for the "showcats" - they do not seem at all normal to me. I guess it is OK for folks with lots of money as I know this hobby is very expensive. I will take my "mutts" anytime!!

[EssTer]

1/2 & 1/2
All dogs we've had we got from good breeders.. I think there are many good breeders that cares about their pups and so on...They are OK.. Thought I dont like those back yard breeders...

[KYS]

Primabella: However I do believe that there should be more enforcement on taking good care of your pets in order to prevent the overpopulation in shelters, rather than bad mouthing breeders of any kinds. That's the real problem here.>>>>>>>>

You have a very good point.

(I voted 1/2 by 1/2)

I am pro ethical-reputable breeders.
A couple of years ago, I watched a special on cable
about the problems of over population, puppy mills
and blood sports. (some of the stats were also mentioned
on the local news.)

The data that was presented was that
reputable breeders are such a small percentage
of our problem.
THe problem lies, with puppy mills,
than (pet owners/BYB) last on the list was the reputable breeder.
Not sure of the correct order of BYB vs pet owners.

Soo lets not blame the reputable breeder for
the overcrowding in our shelters.

We are to blame too:
If we breed our beloved family pets, because we want to duplicate their personaltiy, make a buck
or experience having puppy's (what ever the reason.yada yada yada.)

We are to blame too: if we do not spay and neuter.

We are to blame too: if give up our beloved pet because it does not fit into our life style today. (SOME reasons are valid for
finding another good home for our pet, but not dropping it
off at a shelter.


We are to blame too: if we buy our pet from a Puppy mill
or a pet shop. (not to say that our beloved pet purchased
from the above is any less, but
we have to stop this cycle.)

Pure breads do have a purpose other than just
looking a certain way.

I have loved and cared for my shelter dogs just
as much as my pure breds.
But lets not shoot the reputable breeder down, or the
dog owner that is responsible just because they
have a purebred.

I am done for now.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by KYS
We are to blame too:
If we breed our beloved family pets, because we want to duplicate their personaltiy, make a buck
or experience having puppy's (what ever the reason.yada yada yada.)

We are to blame too: if we do not spay and neuter.

We are to blame too: if give up our beloved pet because it does not fit into our life style today. (SOME reasons are valid for
finding another good home for our pet, but not dropping it
off at a shelter.

We are to blame too: if we buy our pet from a Puppy mill
or a pet shop. (not to say that our beloved pet purchased
from the above is any less, but
we have to stop this cycle.)

Pure breads do have a purpose other than just
looking a certain way.

But lets not shoot the reputable breeder down, or the
dog owner that is responsible just because they
have a purebred.

I AGREE! Very well said.

[Kfamr]

No one's shooting down anyone, but responsible breeders ARE a factor in the homeless population, as are PM's and BYB's.... I'm not, and never will be.


Sooooooo many people have the mindset "Oh, shelter dogs are just mangy mutts... I'll spend however many hundreds of dollars for a breeder's dog, who has papers, yadda yadda yadda"

I personally just do not see the need for a pure bred, or papers, or whatever reason when so many dogs die in shelters and live in rescues and in "foster homes" I just really don't see how someone could do that. NO, i'm not saying any of you are horrible for getting your dogs from breeders, I really could care less as long as they're taken care of. I just don't see why so many are stuck on getting pure bred dogs, or strictly dogs from breeders.

I've never seen too many people do with their pure bred dog what the dog was originally bred for, but they're STUCK on buying from breeders.



*None of this is towards anyone on this forum, so please do not take it as that.*

[KYS]

I've never seen too many people do with their pure bred dog what the dog was originally bred for, but they're STUCK on buying from breeders.>>>>>>>>>>>>

Kay, This is very true.

You sound just like my sister when it comes
to breeders.


But I will add with a pure breed dog not only do you
know what your dog will look like but what traits it will most likely have.

No matter where we get our dogs from,
we all need to look at ourselves to stop this cycle of unwanted animals whether purebred or mixed.