merry is hurt BAD

[tikeyas_mom]

Couldn't you have waited to get another boy rat, or girl rat until you were sure that if one should have an injury you would be able to care for them?

No i couldent have
Rosie and Lily were rescues and they were in way worse shape at their previous homes then they are now, they have a great diet and have a nice sized cage. They are spolied.

I got Nimbus because I know that one day one of my males will die and then the other will be friendless, and lonely. ...

Yet again going on to explain my self...

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by luckies4me
If you were responsible you WOULD NOT have gotten another animal you could not care for. Besides food, bedding and water there is also the responsibility of financial security and stability, and if you don't have that you should not be adding more pets to your household, period. To not get another pet would be the most responsible thing you could do IMO.

I dont agree...
But thats YOUR opinion. maybe others agree. but a lot of ppl know me in person and know that I am responsible.

[luckies4me]

For goodness sake, what does it take to make you understand that you SHOULD NOT get another pet until you can care for them properly. Who cares if they have a nice cage, and food. They ALSO need vet care. You can't get a pet and let him suffer just because you were irresponsible and selfish enough to not wait until you were financially secure enough to take on that responsibility.

Rescues are a LOT of work. I know, as I take them in reguarly. There were other people who do rescue who could tell you the same. Why could you not have waited to get Nimbus AFTER you had a job?

[tikeyas_mom]

i dont know. I just didnt.
I cant take it back, I love them. i love them all. and I am not irresponsible. my mom pays for vet.

[Twisterdog]

Oh for Pete's sake people ... enough already.

I swear, Jynnelle or Jordan could make a post stating, "Today I jumped in front of a runaway train to save a baby, drug an elderly blind woman from a burning building and swam into a raging river to save a drowning kitten." ... and some of you would have something negative to say about it.

Give it a rest already.

First of all, these are KIDS. They don't have jobs, they are completely reliant on their parents for money, transportation, etc. Remember being a kid? It sucks. Kids don't have control of very many elements of their lives. Try to keep that in mind when you are condemming a CHILD for not hopping in the car and driving across town the the ER vet, and plopping down a credit card, ok?

Second, they WILL take the animal to the vet, as soon as possible. Life isn't always fair or great or peachy keen. It would be better if it could happen now, true ... but it doesn't seem like these girls have much control over the matter. What might be better than ragging on them for something they can't contol is perhaps a little compassion and empathy ... "Man, that stinks that your mom can't help you out now. I'm sorry this is happening to you. I know you must feel terrible about it."

What these kids need is some viable advice delivered in a kind manner ... not a bunch of criticism and negativity. How about some practical advice on home remedies, Luckies4me? As a rescue, you know as well as I do, that rescues survive for a large part by our practical knowledge of animal husbandy and in-a-pinch treatments. What rescue has not splinted a broken leg with toothpicks or popsicle sticks in a pinch? We all have. Why not offer them some advice to get them through this bad time ... instead of making them feel even worse than they already do over something they can't control.

The emergency medical fund was great advice ... offered in a nasty manner. Good advice is hard to swallow when it is presented bitterly. Instead of being nasty about it, how about making a new post talking NICELY about emergency medical funds ... how to set one up, ways to save a few dollars a week to put into it, etc.

Remember .... you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

[luckies4me]

I partly agree with you Twister, to a degree. I would be more sympathetic but when one goes on and on and aquires more animals when they know they live with their parents and are dependent upon them for money, vet exams etc. it makes me angry. I have offered her advice about Emergency funds several times, as have other members here.

I waited until I was out of the house to aquire my pets because I knew I would not have had the money to take them to the vet, buy their food etc. and I did not want to rely on my mother to take care of it.

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by luckies4me
I have offered her advice about Emergency funds several times, as have other members here.

umm when and in what post did you or other pt members offer advise to me about emergency vet funds? huh???

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
umm when and in what post did you or other pt members offer advise to me about emergency vet funds? huh???

I've talked about it many times. I am not sure in what posts but others here have told you to save money in case of Emergencies etc.

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by luckies4me
I've talked about it many times. I am not sure in what posts but others here have told you to save money in case of Emergencies etc.

no you havent, and how am i going to save money when i dont have money to save.

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by luckies4me
I partly agree with you Twister, to a degree. I would be more sympathetic but when one goes on and on and aquires more animals when they know they live with their parents and are dependent upon them for money, vet exams etc. it makes me angry. I have offered her advice about Emergency funds several times, as have other members here.

I waited until I was out of the house to aquire my pets because I knew I would not have had the money to take them to the vet, buy their food etc. and I did not want to rely on my mother to take care of it.

I know. I know. I'm not saying this is a good situation she is in. However ... my point is ... she is already in it. She already HAS the animals. The deed is done, so to speak, and what she needs now is some practical help. Obviously, lectures aren't working, if you have been lecturing for some time and getting no where. Perhaps a softer approach would work better? There's more than one way to skin a cat, my granny used to say. HELP her - you have the experience and knowledge. Don't just tell her she is bad and irresponsible. TEACH her, don't just criticise her. That is part of an adult's responsibility toward children and teens. Take the high road.

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
no you havent, and how am i going to save money when i dont have money to save.

Again, if you don't have your own money and know you are relying on your parents to vet trips etc. you should wait until you are moved out and on your own to aquire any new pets. Now I will end this.

I sincerely hope Merry gets better and he gets into a vet soon for treatment, possible x- rays. He will be in my thoughts and I am praying for a speedy recovery. And Jynelle, I know you love your pets a lot. That is clearly evident in all your posts about them. I just feel that perhaps you should give everything a little time, move out, get your own job etc. Your critters depend on your for their every need, and we know how your mother has acted in the past. Yes, living with parents sucks, I know. Please keep us updated and let us know how he is doing. If you need advice on how to ease pain I would suggest posting to the Rats Rule forum.

[Nomilynn]

I agree with you, Twister. I have seen a tremendous amount of growth in Jynelle, and I think she is doing the best she can.. I know at one time I too thought she wasn't as responsible as she could have been but it really seems like she has taken great strides to better herself and provide good care for her pets. I am very impressed with the improvements she has made and shared with us at PT.

Secondly, there are times when emergencies happen that are totally unforseen. When Bassett got sick, was I a terrible mom because I didn't have an extra $1000 set aside for all her immediate vet costs? No. Sometimes things happen that we can't predict. I remember, Cass, when your cat (I think it was Mystic) was injured and you couldn't take her immediatly to the vet, and you posted here about how she was trembling with pain but you had no money to help her. Does that make YOU a bad owner? Not necessarily. It just means that sometimes things happen that we have to deal with as best we can when the time comes.

Thirdly, I don't see how Jynelle's story has changed at all. She first posted that she thought Merry's leg was broken, but now it appears it might not be, only injured. She isn't changing her story, she's telling us what's happening based on what she is seeing at home. Give her a break.

Jynelle, I hope Merry feels better. I'm glad your mom will be able to help you pay for all this

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by Twisterdog
I know. I know. I'm not saying this is a good situation she is in. However ... my point is ... she is already in it. She already HAS the animals. The deed is done, so to speak, and what she needs now is some practical help. Obviously, lectures aren't working, if you have been lecturing for some time and getting no where. Perhaps a softer approach would work better? There's more than one way to skin a cat, my granny used to say. HELP her - you have the experience and knowledge. Don't just tell her she is bad and irresponsible. TEACH her, don't just criticise her. That is part of an adult's responsibility toward children and teens. Take the high road.

I am not so upset about her in the situation she is in now, just that it could have been avoided had she waited to add new members to her household. Yes, I have been a little harsh, and I apologize Jynelle. One thing I am just trying to make her understand is to wait until she adds another animal to her home.

At this point all I can recommend is posting to the Rats Rule Forum. I do not recommend splinting at this time because it may cause more harm then good if there is a fracture or break. Unlike other animals rats tend to heal very fast, and a splinted leg not set in the right position can cause more harm than good. My only recommendation right now is to get him into the vet as soon as you can.

[luckies4me]

Originally posted by Nomilynn


Secondly, there are times when emergencies happen that are totally unforseen. When Bassett got sick, was I a terrible mom because I didn't have an extra $1000 set aside for all her immediate vet costs? No. Sometimes things happen that we can't predict. I remember, Cass, when your cat (I think it was Mystic) was injured and you couldn't take her immediatly to the vet, and you posted here about how she was trembling with pain but you had no money to help her. Does that make YOU a bad owner? Not necessarily. It just means that sometimes things happen that we have to deal with as best we can when the time comes.

Yes there was a time Mystic (he's a boy BTW ) was hurt but I took him to the vet the next morning, after the vet clinic saying there was nothing they could do besides give him pain meds. We did have the money, except my bf can sometimes be a hardass. The difference is that after that occurence I took it into my own hands to make an ER fund for "just in case" emergencies. I stopped breeding rats at that time as I was not financially stable. I quit taking in pets until I knew I could afford them, I had the time, etc.

I don't think anyone expects something so serious to happen that is costs thousands of dollars to fix. It's how you go about the situation that matters. We all know you love your cats with all your heart and would do anything for them. I learned from my mistake, now it's time for Jynelle to learn from hers.

[Kfamr]

Sorry, but I don't think being a kid is an excuse. If we weren't able to support another animal financially, I'd never ask my parents, or even think of taking another animal in. That's responsibility, knowing you limitations.

And although I could say alot more, that's all I'll say for now.. because i'm afraid me being disgusted by this and voicing my opinion would just get a few of you down my back.


I hope this rat gets the treatment and care it needs.