Downloading Music

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
It may be "politically incorrect" but it's great.

Its not *politically incorrect*. Its wrong.........its stealing. Its like someone goes and steals someone's jewelery, and then comes and sells it for a low price to someone who is well aware that its stolen. You KNOW the jewelery is stolen, but you still take it. Its just as wrong as that. Its contributing to stealing, and that's wrong.

[babolaypo65]

That's a great analogy pop. It's very much like receiving stolen goods, but rationalizing that YOU didn't actually steal it, just bought it.... ITs still wrong.

[2kitties]

Originally posted by babolaypo65
See, it's not just politically incorrect. IT'S ILLEGAL. It's stealing. The musicians work. They make music. They earn money when YOU pay for it.

^^ what bab said. It's stealing.

[binka_nugget]

I use Kazaa. I try to limit it since I've gotten so many viruses from it and also realize that it's illegal.

Here's something you might find interesting..I got the opportunity to speak to a recording artist about her view on this. She said that she was for it because she felt that if people truly liked her music, they'd support her by buying her cd. She mentioned that having people like her music meant alot more to her than the dollars she earned.

But I guess, stealing is stealing. Period. It's wrong and I admit that I've done it.

[Kfamr]

I may download a song once or twice in a blue moon.
I downloaded many over the years -- like back when Napster was first coming out.

I hardly download or use it anymore, because i'm just too impatient for the crappy things to actually connect.

Why don't think target the big download programs like Morpheous and KaZaa, instead of children?

[Rio and Me]

I dont know how so "not gultiy" of that!!!
but if downloading music/DVD movies on the internet is illegal, why do the websites allow you to do it??? if they didnt have that little "download" button that you can eaisly click on it, then people wouldnt be able to download therefor no need for it to be illegal because you cant do it!!!!!!
i also herd that its illegal to record films of the TV!! so again why do they make VCR's with record buttons???
this world is messed up!!!!
Ky and Rio

[Dogz]

Originally posted by Kfamr

Why don't think target the big download programs like Morpheous and KaZaa, instead of children?

I think that they should do this also.

[babolaypo65]

Originally posted by Rio and Me
I dont know how so "not gultiy" of that!!!
but if downloading music/DVD movies on the internet is illegal, why do the websites allow you to do it??? if they didnt have that little "download" button that you can eaisly click on it, then people wouldnt be able to download therefor no need for it to be illegal because you cant do it!!!!!!
i also herd that its illegal to record films of the TV!! so again why do they make VCR's with record buttons???
this world is messed up!!!!
Ky and Rio

You can do MANY illegal things on the internet. Please don't use the presence of options as a guide.

No one here thinks they should target 12 year olds, I think. I suspect they just wanted to "make an example" out of them. I don't agree with that.

[2kitties]

Originally posted by Rio and Me
I dont know how so "not gultiy" of that!!!
but if downloading music/DVD movies on the internet is illegal, why do the websites allow you to do it??? if they didnt have that little "download" button that you can eaisly click on it, then people wouldnt be able to download therefor no need for it to be illegal because you cant do it!!!!!!
i also herd that its illegal to record films of the TV!! so again why do they make VCR's with record buttons???
this world is messed up!!!!
Ky and Rio

1. It is perfectly legal to record programs off your television. And you can watch them all you want in your own home. You can't, however, use them for broadcast because they are copywritten.

2. You can buy child pornography on the internet- but that doesn't make it legal. Not everything you are "able" to do is okay. You are perfectly "able" to murder. But you will probably go to prison.

3. The reason they target children instead of Kazaa is because Kazaa is an interface. It is simply a mask hidden on the gnutella service which is impossible to target because it is a cybermedium. If they shut down one interface, another will open. That is the beauty of the internet- it's virtually unstoppable.

[Dogz]

"If you can afford a computer, you can afford a CD."

-Nelly

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by Dogz
"If you can afford a computer, you can affort a CD."

-Nelly

Hehe

I have all of Nelly's songs on MP3 but, i've also bought every single on of those CD's as well.

[IttyBittyKitty]

I admit to downloading a few songs back when I was a poor teenager whose tiny little allowance bearly stretched to clothing and lollies, let alone CD's. I had a computer, thank you Nelly, but it was owned and paid for by my mother. It still resides in the familial abode.

Downloading music. A hot issue indeed.

Yes, it is stealing. Yes, it is "wrong," but judge not lest ye be judged and consider a few new aspects to the debate:

1) The record companies talk of all this lost "profit," but let's use our noggins for a moment. A 12-year-old girl downloads a thousand songs, which they consider to be worth $3,000 dollars. Had she not downloaded them, she would never ever been able to afford them, and probably would never have heard most of the music. Therefore, it is not "lost profit." It never existed in the first place! What it amounts to, in fact, is greater exposure for artists with the teenage crowds. Which will later generate "real" profits. When these teenagers are adults, some will continue to download music but most will "get a life" away from their internet friends, use their computers less and buy music from music stores because, let's face it, it's much classier to do so. How many 40 year olds do you know that download music? LOL!

2) Continuing from point 1, I "discovered," through the medium of downloading music, artists such as Travis, James and Coldplay long before their music was available in Australia. My Internet friends overseas recommended that I download this song and that song. Now that I have the money, I very rarely download music - I pay for it - and the artists I choose are those that I once listened to "for free" and took a liking to. If I do download music, it is for a "sample." In my opinion, you cannot beat the quality of a CD, because the MP3 format is compression, no matter which way you look at it.

4) Sure, you can download a song for a dollar but how many teenagers own a credit card? They may have a dollar in their pocket, yes, but if they go into a store they will be charged the "highway robbery" prices in the CD shops. And it's not just us being robbed, by the way, the artists themselves see pitifully small portions of the profit ending up in their pockets. Yet, no one speaks up about this issue!

5) I have a strong distaste for most "popular" and "top 40's music," thus some of the music I like is very difficult to find in stores. Some of the MP3's I have aren't even available in this country yet. But, when they do become available here, myself and others who have listened to them already know the artists and their style and will happily pay for it. I am still waitng for Boa to become available in Aussie stores!

6) I 100% disagree with new data security algorithms that allow CD producers to stop you copying your own music. If I buy a CD, paying $30 bucks, I want the right to keep a copy of a song on my computer and have the hard disk in my car if I so choose. I do not run Kazaa or any such programs, therefore no one else can access and copy that song.

Let's remember folks, there is no such thing as "black and white" arguments when you are trying to define something as vague as intellectual property.

EDIT: damn typo! And I just have to add that I really can't call Britney Spears an "Artist." Sorry, I just can't bring myself to do it .........

[Aspen and Misty]

For those who like to listen to music -- I recomend

www.launch.com

It's free and legal!

Ash

[Dogz]

Originally posted by IttyBittyKitty
If I buy a CD, paying $30 bucks, I want the right to keep a copy of a song on my computer and have the hard disk in my car if I so choose.

$30?!? Is that in Australian money, or... Here in MN, we pay about $14-20 for a CD. Kmart can be such a rip off.

[Dogz]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
For those who like to listen to music -- I recomend

www.launch.com

It's free and legal!

Ash

I am going to check this out.