This will change your life ::moved from Genral::

[Uabassoon]

veal- lamb chunks

I thought veal was baby cow?

[Soledad]

Not only is it baby cow, it's baby cow that's been put in a box it's whole life so that it cannot move and grow muscle (makes the meat less tender) and injected with hormones to make it all fatty like.

Yum.

[micki76]

I have adhesions in my abdomen from surgery to remove all of my reproductive organs because I had ovarian cancer. Any diet containing vegetables that are hard to digest or that are even more than minimal in fiber can cause a blockage in my small bowel and kill me within a few short hours.

Do I eat a diet consisting mostly of meat? Yes, I have to. Is it healthy? No. Do I like the taste? Yes. Do I like where meat comes from or how the animal was treated before slaughter? NO, I am disgusted by it. I must eat what will not kill me and if that's at another animal's expense, then so be it. I wish I could eat a good, healthy diet, but I can't. I'll probably die of heart disease, but that's better than the excruciating pain of dying from a blockage.

[allanimalswelcome]

What I hate about PETA is nothing is good enough for them.

Cows could be raised in the best way possible but they still would come up with some lies.

They say they care about marine mammals in captivity... whatever PETA.

none of my money is going to support Ingrid Newrik who hates Pit Bulls and doesn't want us to own animals such as birds.

~Rachel

[RubyMutt]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
Rubymutt & Soledad- I am very sorry if in any way this had made you upset or angry with me. I did move this from the Genral board for that reson (thanks to someone saying I should, I forget who). I did not know that this was posted before and I am sorry for re-posting it. I did however know that some of you do not like PETA and I guess this was a bad decision for me to share this video and will next time keep any information I find out to myself. Again sorry.
Ash

No, no, no, I'm not upset at anyone! I'm sorry you thought that Ash
(I know, it's hard to tell emotions when it's written words)

I don't mind that you posted the video. I just hate to see all the arguing when I'm sure no one is going to change their points of views. Too much stress.

[RubyMutt]

Originally posted by Soledad
No, honey, you didn't upset me. I guess I just didn't want to see this thread go the same way as the others.

I also think it's good for meat eaters to see the reality of farming practices in America, and it IS happening and WE ARE eating it. If you think all the animals you eat are raised in humane environments, grazing in the sunshine you are wrong. This video intends to shock you into that reality.

I just didn't want this to turn into a people who eat meat=bad argument. I think EVERYONE here at PT can agree that inhumane farming practices are wrong and should be stopped.

EXACTLY!

[veegan]

"I just hate to see all the arguing when I'm sure no one is going to change their points of views. Too much stress."

Exactly RubyMutt!

"I guess I just didn't want to see this thread go the same way as the others.

I also think it's good for meat eaters to see the reality of farming practices in America, and it IS happening and WE ARE eating it. If you think all the animals you eat are raised in humane environments, grazing in the sunshine you are wrong. This video intends to shock you into that reality.

I just didn't want this to turn into a people who eat meat=bad argument. I think EVERYONE here at PT can agree that inhumane farming practices are wrong and should be stopped."


Perfectly said Soledad, as usual. lol This is a really touchy subject for everyone I think, and it can be.. irritating with all the disagreements, so yes its pretty exhausting fighting over it again and again, but like you said, it is important for Americans to be aware of the reality of the meat industry, so I suppose Im glad these things get posted. However, it is hard sometimes for people to change their minds about things, especially as "against the grain" (for lack of a better term..) as vegetarianism, until they are ready to. But perhaps the more exposure to the truth will help convince more people to change to a more healthy and compassionate way of life. I do understand there are some people who just cant be vegetarian, or vegan, for health or whatever other reasons, and I respect that, but I just have no tolerance or respect for those who simply turn a blind eye to it all because they can, because the majority of society ignores it. It is still wrong, it is still happening, whether you choose to see it or not.

[Kater]

Originally posted by allanimalswelcome
"I don't want my money going to make bomb"

To my knowledge PETA maintains a creed of nonviolence and does not advocate actions in which anyone, human or nonhuman, is injured. You/Someone must be thinking of another group, I think I know which one too. Unless you can back this statement up?

Originally posted by allanimalswelcome
They say they care about marine mammals in captivity...

Could you clarify your point here? I’m really not getting any meaning out of this statement.

Originally posted by allanimalswelcome
none of my money is going to support Ingrid Newrik who hates Pit Bulls and doesn't want us to own animals such as birds.

These statements are far too simplified to explain PETAs stance on these issues! If you want to understand PETAs stance on these issues then get it first hand and read what they publish! If you don’t care, then so be it but do not mangle meanings in your own twisted version of their words. Also PETA and Ingrid Newkirk are separate entities, while Ingrid has some control over PETA so do its more than 750,000 members. She may have certain opinions but this does not mean they will be put into action in some way using PETAs money.

[CathyBogart]

I will never support PETA, the Humane Socitey, or any other organization that seeks to ban the captive keeping of reptiles.

[popcornbird]

I don't get it. Yes I know that animals are treated HORRIBLE in various farms throughout the country , but whenever we go out for a drive, in the hills and farm land, we always see free cows and calves EVERYWHERE, grazing happily, with acres and acres of land for freedom. These cows also belong to farms that provide animals for the meat industry. We also see chickens running around freely, as well as sheep and goats, all animals used for food. If all animals killed for food are treated so horribly in their lives, then who do these animals belong to? I have been to farms many many times in my life, and the farms we visit are often meat providers. I have seen their grazing cows, goats, sheeps, etc. and not a single one of them ever looked badly treated, crammed, or unhappy.

Also, as I said before, we don't buy meat from stores like Safeway etc. and only from small stores that get their meat from certain farms where they slaughter the animal in the proper way (the way my religion requires). If an animal is slaughtered in another way, it is forbidden for us to eat, so Safeway, etc. meat is forbidden for me to eat anyway, and I cannot and will not eat it. The animals we eat are slaughtered in the most humane way possible, and not shocked by electricty, shot, etc. The inhumane treatment of livestock animals in the US is terrible, and really, I do understand why people go vegetarian, but again, I don't buy from the main providers, and thus, am not supporting the mass inhumane treatment. I have seen a lot of Peta and I do believe they are very extreme. They may do *some* good things, but from what I have seen, the majority is extreme. I'm sorry, but I don't support and type of extremists. If they have a valid point, I will listen to their point of view, but when I see all their extreme articles, it makes me feel otherwise, about their organization.

Its not wrong to eat meat. If it was so wrong, God would not have created animals that survive eating other animals, and animals that eat both meat and veggies. Sure, its fine for lions, tigers, bears, dogs, cats, and all these other animals to eat meat, but for humans its a crime. What's wrong is how certain farms treat their animals, but eating meat itself is NOT wrong. If it was so wrong, God would've let us know. I believe God knows what's best for His creatures, and if God did not forbid us from eating meat, no one else can. If you choose to be a vegetarian, good for you. I respect your decision and support you as well, but I for one will not be a vegetarian for now, and would never ever become a vegan. I cannot imagine living without milk or cheese or eggs (The REAL ones.....soy products are no comparison). I don't eat meat often as eating meat often is bad for the health, but I will not stop eating meat, since I find no valid reason to do so. I respect your opinions and I hope you respect our's as well. I know you do. May the people who mistreat animals rot, and may new farmers that treat their animals humanely and with kindness during their life replace them.

[bisi.cat]

I was raised in a family were we would eat meat...
One day I've wittnessed how my grandma has killed one of the chicken for dinner...it was a completely healthy and happy chicken before...somehow the chicken felt what would happened and it cried out loud making a lot of fuss...the eyes called out in disbelief...after having broken the chicken's neck my granny started to get away the feathers (my grandma was raised on a farm)...
I couldn't eat this chicken...because I've looked this one in the eyes...
Today I feel ashamed about it, but it took me another few years to stop eating meat at all and ever since I have my own household I've attached this quote in my kitchen:
"An excellent rule for the human race,
when sitting down at the dinnerplace:
To alleviate pain and death erase:
Don't eat anything with a face"

I could never ever kill an animal, so I don't eat them and this is what makes the difference between meateating animals and humans...you can make a difference!!!

But I've learned that this decision must be made in the heart...you cannot be persuaded to be vegetarian...
And I would never think of trying to turn my cat into a veggie cat...

[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by bisi.cat
And I would never think of trying to turn my cat into a veggie cat...

This reminds me of a doofus from another forum who was giving me a hard time about having snakes. She said to me "I would NEVER own an animal that I had to feed another animal too!"

What was her avatar pic? Her cat. An animal that needs Taurine from eating meat products to survive! *Laughs* She left me alone after that was pointed out!!

Edit: I'm not saying anything about you bisi.cat, just that your statement reminded me of that!

[allanimalswelcome]

(The REAL ones.....soy products are no comparison).

Ugh I know! And everyone is saying "Oh veggie burgers taste the same as real meat!" and that is just a lie because I bought a veggie burger at my father's work and it tasted like potatoe...yum

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by allanimalswelcome
Ugh I know! And everyone is saying "Oh veggie burgers taste the same as real meat!" and that is just a lie because I bought a veggie burger at my father's work and it tasted like potatoe...yum

Mmmm mmmm mine taste like chicken Patties!! There good


Ash

[Soledad]

The soy chicken patties are excellent!! I don't really notice the difference.

Gardenburger patties are really good, too. I like the original ones. They're so yummy. They don't taste like meat and they're not supposed to. They just taste like yummy cheesy goodness.