Please sign this!!!!

[Kfamr]

MMk.

[wolf_Q]

A normal breeder is *not* the same thing as a puppy mill, I didn't say that. What I meant by that, is that a pet store can say they got the dog from a "breeder" and it could be a puppy mill. A person who breeds dogs is a breeder. It's a term that can be used loosely. A person who breeds dogs responsibly is also a breeder.

A puppy mill has mass quanity of dogs kept in bad conditions. The dogs are bred every heat, no matter if they are healthy or not.

Yes, I got my dog from a breeder. I know it was not the best choice, but it's what I did. But, it was *not* in any way a puppy mill. I met his parents, and the owners of the dogs. She just had 2 dogs, while it was not wise for her to breed them, she did obviously loved very much and took good care of them. She did ask me questions about what I would do with the puppy...and she has checked up, I've emailed her a few times with pictures of the Nebo boy. Still, I'm aware that it was not the best choice to buy a puppy from her.

Banning the sale of puppies in pet stores will most likely increase backyard breeders, but I think that is at least better then puppy mills, in my opinion.

[tikeyas_mom]

Wanna see??

[tikeyas_mom]

that is what I ment. you were seeming like you thought ALL breeders were backyard wolf_Q ...

[wolfsoul]

Hmmm...

I don't believe in making pet stores stop selling puppies and kittens, but I do believe that mills should be stopped. That's why I believe that a responsible pet store manager should know the people who supply puppies. Who's to say they aren't just backyard breeders? No, that's not so good either, but it's better than a mill. If I owned a petshop, I would visit every breeder and inspect their animals and living quarters...if I did not like what I saw, then I would not get my animals from there and I would spread the word to all other places.

Unfortunatly, most petshops are blinded by consumer consumption and couldn't care less

But I just don't understand why the puppies and kittens shouldn't be there, and yet other animals can...there are sooo many mills for rats and gerbils and mice, and they don't seem to be mentioned.

They do sell dogs at our spca, but the petshops here take waaay better care then their dogs then they do...the SPCA here is terrible

[wolfsoul]

I got Timber from the petshop
Samuri from a backyard breeder
And Leather's breeders had a wierd situation lol...Her father's owner was a proffessional breeder and owned a kennel because Leather's father was a champion conformation showdog...But her mother was a german shepher who was owned by a backyard breeder lol...It was an accidental pregnancy, but I'm not sure if the dogs were intentionally put together or what

[wolf_Q]

No, that's not what I meant or said. I don't think all breeders are bad. And not all breeders are puppy mills. There's a big difference.

[tikeyas_mom]

yes the pet shops here where me and wolf_soul live is wayyyy better to their animals then the spca. they are groose and stinky and dirty, eww ... -sick- The dogs are all cages up. you arnt allowed to go behind the fences even oif they are for adoption. grrrr.... I still do lol...

[kingrattus]

I've seen too many crapy petstores & prices that went through the roof!!... the pet store I got Max from 9 yrs ago (closed down after the hubby died) only sold puppies that were given to them free & would sell the pups from 10-25 dollars canadian. The puppies were clean & healthy... they were displayed off & on throughout the day.. they had a nice pen they stayed in & when not displayed or at night they were put in the back room to run free (which was large enough to allow 20 large dogs play with ease).. but now the new pet store r horrible!! they r locked up in tiny boxes, most of the time with no friends, even thought there were other pups in diff boxes.. & they sell these mutts for 400.00 bucks!! or they were lying to the customers.. buy this pup, its a pure black lab, yet it has a huge & I mean a huge white star on its chest & white paws & white on the tip of its tail... there is no way that puppy is pure!! I know some labs have a small white star, but nothing should be on their paws or tail!!

If u want a dog, go to the shelter, there r many dogs looking for a good home & many come house trained

[tikeyas_mom]

good point king rattus, but I have to disagree somewhere along the lines of shelter dogsd need homes. So do pet store dogs! hat makes them any less of a pet?

[KYS]

wolf_Q , that's cheap compared
to the puppy's being sold in the Pet shop in
the Mall where I live.
Try $950.00 and up.
You can get a good Pet quality puppy from
a reputable breeder for less.
MOST Petshops buy their pups from puppy mills
in the "U.S." Their has been a movement to
educate people against buying pups from Pet shops,
and to try to pass laws to close down or at the
very least regulate with strict provisions commercial selling of animals. (which is hard to enforce)

Their are fewer and fewer Pet shops in my area selling
dogs, than there were 15 years ago, because
of educating the public.

I saw a special on puppy mills where a reporter and a vet
took a undercover video camera and possed as buyers.
It was disgusting to see how these dogs were kept.

[wolf_Q]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
good point king rattus, but I have to disagree somewhere along the lines of shelter dogsd need homes. So do pet store dogs! hat makes them any less of a pet?

No, that does not make them any less of a pet. Many wonderful, well-loved dogs are bought from pet stores. And I do not think anyone who buys a dog from a pet store is a bad person or anything like that. I'd probably be tempted to get a pet store puppy if I found a husky.....that's the exact reason I refused to visit any pet stores when I was looking for a pup, lol.

BUT, buying a dog from a pet store supports those who breed them in puppy mills. You may be saving one pup, but just making room for another one to take it's place. The whole point is, if nobody bought dogs from pet stores, the puppy mills would not be breeding any more dogs to sell to pet stores. Adopting a dog from a shelter saves it from being put to sleep, and makes room for another dog who needs a home.

And KYS, I've seen pups for $950 and up also...really, $400 is pretty cheap for a pet store pup.

[wolfsoul]

At Total pet, the puppies are sold anywhere from 40-500 dollars. The small dogs are always the most...Timber was only 100 dollars But it was kinda sad, cuz she was the first picked from the litter, and nobody bought the other puppies for a reeeeally long time, and soon the price was lowered to $40...

Petcetera only takes puppies from the shelter, which is good I guess, but it would be better if they took adults....puppies are easy to sell at shelters, but older dogs aren't always.

[tikeyas_mom]

with the small little kenel they have in pet cetera, ha like hell thed be able to fit a adult dog in it..

[Kfamr]

Canadian and America SPCA's must be way different then. It's like the two are complete opposites[sp?] Pet stores here are like hell, and SPCA's and Humane Society's are like heaven.