Vicious dogs

[Cheshirekatt]

Originally posted by Twisterdog
It is irresponsible, blatant defiance of leash laws that make legislatures pass even stricter leash-laws, and give the anti-dog groups more ammunition. You are hurting ALL dog owners when you defy leash laws.

Amen. This is why so many parks don't allow dogs at all. Even on a leash.

[COCatMama]

eh?? me? backpedal??? NEVER! I stand by everything I have said. My point is MERELY that there are ARE tons of onleash dogs in that park! the paths are NOT wide so her dog will be approached by other dogs. I tell ya, I took J to that park today and since there were no doggies to play with, he stayed onleash. I kept my eyes peeled for that psycho and her dog and I would have avoided her like the plague if I spotted her. Her dog *IS* dog-aggressive, and I define any adult dog that bites as *vicious* so that dog should be nowhere near any other dogs, onleash or off!!! unless said psycho likes lawsuits etc.

nuff said, I'm done.

[aly]

I was at an aggression workshop just yesterday. Your definition of vicious is not exactly correct. I think we all agree the dog is dog aggressive, no one argued that. However, you are complaining that a woman was walking her dog on a leash and your dog bounded up to them off leash ... in an on leash park. I just can't see the logic of the complaint.

I agree that people should keep dog aggressive dogs out of OFF LEASH parks, but other than that, as long as they are on leash, they should be able to go for a walk in the park. What if Juneau was dog aggressive? You say he needs his exercise. Would you never take him on walks and leave him in your home? No, I am pretty sure you'd be walking him.

[Cheshirekatt]

Originally posted by Lalania
Her dog *IS* dog-aggressive, and I define any adult dog that bites as *vicious* so that dog should be nowhere near any other dogs, onleash or off!!! unless said psycho likes lawsuits etc.

nuff said, I'm done.

Hmmmm.....my *vicious* dogs successfully completed obedience classes with other dogs without muzzles and even managed to earn Top Dog standings. They've become Canine Good Citizens and are very well behaved. Nobody in our classes had a fit. They were all very well versed in dog behavior. I've never had an experienced dog behavorist suggest to me that my dogs never be around other dogs. *shrug*

[boscibo]

Originally posted by Lalania

As I said, the park is FULL of dogs, most on-leash and the paths are not wide.
It's a by-law, not a law about off leash dogs. Only a fine if the dog narcs catch us.

THE DOG WAS VICIOUS!

If there is a fine if caught, that means dogs off-leash is a no-no. The width of the paths its totally irrelevant. See, at first you said it was not legal for dogs to be off-leash in this park, then you state this. That, in my book, is backpedaling - changing the story mid-stream to get people to accept your point of view.

My "vicious" dog also completed obedience classes and was perfectly fine off leash around the rest of the class of loose dogs. In a park, with a strange dog running towards him who we don't know, totally different game. How was the lady supposed to know? Your dog might have been vicious, and dogs will do things that surprise you - like fight with strange dogs no matter how many other dogs they've been around.

[wolf_Q]

Originally posted by Lalania
I define any adult dog that bites as *vicious* so that dog should be nowhere near any other dogs, onleash or off!!!

I'm curious then, why you were rude to Ash about Chewy, asking how he could be "vicious" when he had in fact biten other dogs and people.

[shais_mom]

I agree with everyone else. When I take Keegan to the park that doesn't allow dogs offleash, I only let her offleash inside the totally enclosed baseball diamond. Park officials have seen me and noone has said anything.
I also think that maybe the reason the dog and lady freaked is b/c you "ran to them screaming my head off". I would freak out to if someone did that.
When Keegan and I were going into the dog park awhile ago, a couple were coming out with 3 dogs. She asked me if I would take Keegan about 50-60 feet away b/c she has 2 dog aggressive dogs and didn't want Keegan to get hurt. She was very nice, smiled and said "THANK YOU VERY MUCH ENJOY YOUR WONDERFUL DAY"
Bottom line is you illegally had your dog off leash and the other lady was following the rules.
Oh by the way, why is it you are so speedy condemn this lady and her dog. It sounds like you would have her tarred and feathered. You say it is abused etc, if it was so abused she wouldn't have had it at the park. Yet you also quickly judged Ashley and Chewy, without reading the whole thread either. And Chewy WAS dog/people aggressive.
Point to ponder.

[Nomilynn]

Originally posted by aly
I was at an aggression workshop just yesterday. Your definition of vicious is not exactly correct. I think we all agree the dog is dog aggressive, no one argued that. However, you are complaining that a woman was walking her dog on a leash and your dog bounded up to them off leash ... in an on leash park. I just can't see the logic of the complaint.

I agree that people should keep dog aggressive dogs out of OFF LEASH parks, but other than that, as long as they are on leash, they should be able to go for a walk in the park. What if Juneau was dog aggressive? You say he needs his exercise. Would you never take him on walks and leave him in your home? No, I am pretty sure you'd be walking him.

Aly, I totally agree here: "However, you are complaining that a woman was walking her dog on a leash and your dog bounded up to them off leash ... in an on leash park. I just can't see the logic of the complaint."

Whether it's a bylaw or a "real" law, it's still a law. Like I said in my first response, if I was afraid in that situation, I would want Garth to protect me. I don't disagree that perhaps the dog needs some training so it isn't so violent, but that doens't mean the lady who was following the rules should be punished.. she was the one who was abiding by the laws.

[shais_mom]

Originally posted by Lalania
Collars come off, leashes slip etc
So it's either face the potential 130.00 fine or keep my dog imprisoned at the end of a leash for eternity.

If you think being on the end of a leash is imprisoned, please don't ever get a greyhound or even a sighthound. Letting them off leash is almost certain death.
Please see this link for more details.
http://www.siberescue.com/Common/Leash/leashTRUST.html

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Lalania
unless said psycho likes lawsuits etc.

If there was a lawsuit against her, she would definitely win and you would have to pay because she did not break any rules. You did. The narrowness of the path means nothing. Your dog went to her's. He didn't go to Juneau. He was on a leash. It was YOUR responsibilty to keep your dog away from other people/dogs, and the woman with her dog on a leash, walking, minding her own busines has NO blame whatsoever. You didn't leash your dog, you let him go to another dog that you don't even know, the dog got upset, and you are blaming the other owner. Makes no sense at all. Well said Amy and shais_mom.

[wolf_Q]

Originally posted by shais_mom

If you think being on the end of a leash is imprisoned, please don't ever get a greyhound or even a sighthound. Letting them off leash is almost certain death.

Same thing as a husky. Everyone says they should never be allowed off-leash. My dog is never off-leash, and I don't think he is a "prisoner" by any means.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Since our dogs were attacked by a Pitbull in our own yard and left for dead, they did rally back and are now in excellent condition, they are very aggressive towards other dogs and strangers and kids, were they before? No. Is it their fault? I don't think so.
We take them to the park and they bark at other dogs and people, however they are always under our control and on a leash. I certainly do not want loose dogs coming up to them and yes probably Perry would attack now, but are they vicious? I think they deserve to take a long walk in the park like everyone else, I say don't let loose dogs run up to any dog you don't know, it's not fair to the dog or the owner.
Our dogs are Mini Schnauzers and at home they are the most loving dogs one could ever own, however the attack has left them wary of other dogs, people and kids and wouldn't you be?
It's not fair to let a loose dog run up to a dog who is on a leash, they feel they are trapped and will fight because they are tied up.
Jackie, Perry and Daisy

[moosmom]

Bottom line is you illegally had your dog off leash and the other lady was following the rules.

Lalania, I think you better quit while you're ahead. Just MHO.

[Twisterdog]

If there was a lawsuit against her, she would definitely win and you would have to pay because she did not break any rules. You did. The narrowness of the path means nothing. Your dog went to her's. He didn't go to Juneau. He was on a leash. It was YOUR responsibilty to keep your dog away from other people/dogs, and the woman with her dog on a leash, walking, minding her own busines has NO blame whatsoever. You didn't leash your dog, you let him go to another dog that you don't even know, the dog got upset, and you are blaming the other owner. Makes no sense at all.

That is correct. I don't know about laws everywhere, but here, if your dog is off-leash where it isn't supposed to be, you are not only in violation of the law and will be fined, but you will also be held responsible for anything and everything your dog does while off-leash. It is also legal here to hit, kick, club, mace, or shoot an off-leash animal on your property, or if it is threatening a person, livestock, wildlife or an animal you own. "Threatening" is a matter of interpretation ... if a dog come running up to me and my leashed dog, I am perfectly within my rights to squirt the dog in the face with pepper spray or mace (which I carry while walking my dogs, BTW). If an off-leash dog enters my uncle's horse corrals, even if it is just sniffing around and "wanting to say hello" to the horses, he is perfectly within his legal rights to shoot the dog. It happens.

[COCatMama]