Catcher in the Rye - what do you think?

[Soledad]

Who was the one that stole the porcelain doll from the Church after she lied about being a Christian. Loved that one!

Oh, and who was the pretty one?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh, and who was the pretty one?

Sara of course...

Actually I think it was Gertie...the baby with blonde curls (how stereotypical!)

I don't remember which was the doll stealer. It may come to me in my sleep tonight!

[mugsy]

I read 3 of Chaim Potok's books, but never heard of the girl story. I'll look for it. He really is a good author.

[Soledad]

Those books seriously rocked me. I remember being really pissed off that I was PR and Catholic and not Jewish in turn-of-the-century New York. Soooo envious.

Their parents were so nice.

*Sigh*

Not at all like my hideous beast parents !

[Nomilynn]

I've never heard of any of these books.. I will have to look for them!

[mugsy]

Sara,

Have you ever read the continuation of the Chosen called The Promise? Also, he wrote the book My Name is Asher Lev which is also very good.

[Soledad]

I read The Promise. Though I have to say I did not believe it was as good. In fact, I remember very little of it.

[mugsy]

I would agree that The Promise was NOT as good as The Chosen, but I still enjoyed it, albeit not nearly as much.

I went to Google and did a search and came up with this website about the man. Wow, he sounds interesting. I didn't realize that he had written so many books!! I'll be looking for them now!! Enjoy!

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/potok.htm

[Edwina's Secretary]

Mugsy...yes I read The Promise and it was good but I would agree good but -- not as good as The Chosen. I've also read My Name is Asher Lev. Potok was an interesting man and a good writer. You really should read Davita's Harp. It is amazing that he was able to write so well from a female's perspective.

Catholic and not Jewish in turn-of-the-century New York. Soooo envious.

My sentiments too! Even though I read the All of a Kind Family books over 35 years ago I remember them so well. I became interested in Judaism and the Jewish immigrant experience. This lead me to Chaim Potok, Issac B. Singer, and Herman Wouk.

[Ann]

Originally posted by Cataholic
It has been translated in both Swedish and Dutch. The Swedish version leaves out the swear words. That = censoring.

I still don't buy that. Are you Swedish? Do you speak Swedish or know how the language works? Have you read the book in Swedish? Can you atleast show me where you get this info from?

Originally posted by Cataholic
I go back to my original statment, "How do you ever know something like that for a fact"?

Actually, that isn't your original statement. It was a lot ruder.

Originally posted by Cataholic
By your own posts...you were wrong. I don't know what censorship issues you are both interested and active in...but, Ann, you were WRONG.

Let's for a second say I am wrong: What horrible crime is that? Do you have to sit there like some bully and constatly repeat how "wrong" I am? Everyone makes mistakes and no one is perfect. And like I already said, I am interested in censorship issues where people aren't allowed to speak their mind; read below.

Originally posted by Cataholic
No one posted anything about the 'anti US' rhetoric you are constantly spewing. The issue was about CITR, not, once again, your personal thoughts on the USA.

So that's what it all comes down to huh? Yet again. When I saw your first comment I was wondering why you stated it so rudely, but then I realized it had to be about this again. This is the exact censorship I am fighting; not being able to say my opinions on a general and public board with no specific rule about "no bad-mouthing the USA". And I didn't even "spew" anything this time; I just explained one of the censorship issues I was interested in because you asked me! It makes me so dissapointed to always having to see threads like this closed because I said something that was considered "controversial". Why can't I ever speak my mind without having a thread closed or deleted because of it? I don't want to get warnings all the time just cause I answer a question and feel a certain way! And yet, I keep coming here. Because I love animals and love talking about them. But, that's not all I'm interested in. I also want to be able to talk about other things, I don't want to be censored and want to be able to speak freely in a general board, so why can't I ever without having to feel guilty?!

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by Ann


It makes me so dissapointed to always having to see threads like this closed because I said something that was considered "controversial". Why can't I ever speak my mind without having a thread closed or deleted because of it? I don't want to get warnings all the time just cause I answer a question and feel a certain way!

WOW...doesn't this tell you anything???

[Cataholic]

Ann,
I really don't care whether you are right or wrong...I care that you state things, "for a FACT" when, they are not a fact. I don't care that you have an opinion about anything...it is when you try to convert that opinion into some universal truth that is annoying to me.

[Cataholic]

Ann,
I hope this works...now, admittably, my swedish isn't very good, but, I think this holds that there are at least two swedish translations.... Now, it could be that the University is misstating their position...never know....


http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut...n/tiiviste.pdf

[Edwina's Secretary]

Let's talk about books....or PETS!

[Ann]

*shivers* Talk about snobby Swedish there. I hate when writers and journalists use the biggest words they can find instead of writing a normal words just to look "smarter". The writer of that article was a great example of that...

Anyways, according to that article there's been two translations into Swedish (odd since I asked two different bookstores and they both claimed it had never been translated!), one in 1953 and one in 1987. In the last one there only existed 408 "bad words" out of 778.

There are two things I have to say about this:

Let's say the books were in fact censored. The point here is that 1953 and 1987 is a long time from 2003. Even if they were censored back then doesn't mean that is done today. I was not active in censorship matters in 1953 (not even born then) or 1987 (3 years old) , so I really don't feel too bad about not knowing much about that.

And the second thing is that English/American "bad words" cannot always be translated into Swedish. This is my personal thought on all of this, and I think that is proven by the fact that there are cuss words in the Swedish translations. After all, why censor some words but not all? That just doesn't make sense IMHO. For example, "goddamn" does not have a Swedish equivalent. Sure, you can translate it and say "damned by God" in Swedish but it would not mean the same thing or even be a cuss words. The infamous F-words (I typed that out once and Karen wasn't too happy ) doesn't have a Swedish equivalent either.