"Baby Cockfight"

[Medusa]

Well, if they do forget, their father so lovingly recorded it on video so that they'll have it for posterity. Then they can be reminded of the betrayal of the person who was supposed to protect them but instead thrust them right into the fray. Yay memories.

[Cataholic]

Purely speaking in psychological terms, children experience "childhood amnesia" up until about 3.5 years of age. While very few people can remember from about 2.5 years on, most people who claim to be able to remember events from or before 3-4 years of age are often operating with false or augmented memories. I forget if severely traumatic memories "subliminally" affect a young child in later life, but I do know that the topic of subliminal anything is very controversial with psychologists.

However, I saw parts of the video (made me ill) and the boys look to be older than 3-4... unfortunately.

I had heard that, too...the thing about people claiming to remember..that it was actually an augmented memory.

I think the kids looked about 2ish, judging by the audio and arm movements. I think Jonah could do some serious harm with his eye/hand coordination by 4....

[lizbud]

I forget if severely traumatic memories "subliminally" affect a young child in later life, but I do know that the topic of subliminal anything is very controversial with psychologists.

They do, and just because the child doesn't remember the incident, doesn't
mean that it did not affect them. It becomes part of who he is.

This was mean & it was cruel to treat children that way. I have to think
with that kind of bad judgment, this can't be the first time these kids were
treated that way, or worse.

[Catty1]

http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/a...14432&catid=57

Caught On Tape: NC Toddlers Encouraged To Fight
Posted by: Chelsi Zash Created: 11/20/2008 8:01:04 AM Updated: 11/20/2008 12:36:08 PM

Fort Bragg, NC -- A mother is outraged after her toddlers were caught on tape being encouraged to fight by their father.

The video shows two toddlers repeatedly slapping and punching each other. One little boy is seen crying and trying to cover up, obviously wanting the beating to stop.

The video that was originally uploaded to YouTube, is now at the center of a custody battle.

Alicia Sheideger, the children's mother, says she was horrified. "I thought it was a baby cock fight. Like somebody putting two animals up to fight each other. They're not animals, they're humans."

She confronted her ex-husband who has custody of the children at his home on post in Fort Bragg. She says that her husband told her the kids had been fighting for two days and he finally just decided to let them have at it and just not stop them.

Sheideger called Child Protective Services and the Military Police.

The army issued the following statement: "The behavior displayed by the parents in the video is neither condoned nor indicative of soldiers in this command or the army."

Sheideger says her ex-husband did lose custody of the kids, but only temporarily.

CNN

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455086,00.html

Fort Bragg Soldier Investigated for Allegedly Videotaping Toddler Son Fighting With Another Child

Thursday, November 20, 2008

FORT BRAGG, N.C. — A Fort Bragg soldier is under investigation after a disturbing video surfaced on the Internet of his toddler son and another little boy punching and shoving each other as an unidentified man eggs them on.

The video was posted on YouTube, but later removed, The Fayetteville Observer reported Tuesday.

The video shows two small boys pushing and hitting each other while a man off-camera urges one to stay in the fight.

"Go on, hit him back. I don't care," an adult male voice can be heard saying.

At one point, one of the tots tries to crawl away, but the other one goes after him and continues punching and slapping him as the boy cries and covers himself with his arms as he tries to fend off his tiny attacker.

The unidentified father who allegedly taped the toddlers' fight is a soldier in the Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, N.C.

His ex-wife brought the video to the Army's attention, and the little boy has been removed from his care and is staying with a relative, KTLA-TV reported. Special Operations spokeswoman Carol Darby said the video is at the center of a child custody dispute.

The Army said in a prepared statement that it was cooperating with other authorities and didn't condone the soldier's actions.

"The behavior displayed by the parents in the video is neither condoned nor indicative of soldiers in this command or the Army," the statement read. "This command will take the appropriate actions as required and will continue to cooperate with civilian agencies."

Click here for more on this story from Military.com.

[JenBKR]

They do, and just because the child doesn't remember the incident, doesn't
mean that it did not affect them. It becomes part of who he is.

This was mean & it was cruel to treat children that way. I have to think
with that kind of bad judgment, this can't be the first time these kids were
treated that way, or worse.

That was my exact thoughts - I doubt that this was an isolated incident. I think that the father needs some serious help, and his son should be taken away from him before he can do any more damage.

[Cataholic]

Something still confuses me...if the two toddlers are both this women's...which I guess is possible, maybe they are Irish twins???...why would only ONE of the children be removed from the home?

[JenBKR]

Something still confuses me...if the two toddlers are both this women's...which I guess is possible, maybe they are Irish twins???...why would only ONE of the children be removed from the home?

hmm...I didn't realize that they both had the same mother...I guess I just assumed that they had different parents. They looked to me to be about the same age, although it was kind of hard to tell. Maybe two different fathers? I don't know...

[lizbud]

Something still confuses me...if the two toddlers are both this women's...which I guess is possible, maybe they are Irish twins???...why would only ONE of the children be removed from the home?

Off topic:

You do know how offensive the term "Irish Twins" really is don't you?
Do you also use "Tar Baby" & "Wetback" in conversation? With your education,
I think you could do better than that.

[Cataholic]

Off topic:

You do know how offensive the term "Irish Twins" really is don't you?
Do you also use "Tar Baby" & "Wetback" in conversation? With your education,
I think you could do better than that.

No, I don't know how offensive the term "Irish twins" really is. I have heard people say it, in referring to their own children. I don't see a single thing offensive about it, obviously, or I would never have said it.

Sheesh, Liz...go find another target, would you? I don't do to well with the bullying thing. I should keep a record of every time you decide to get in another dig at me. If only I knew where the whole thing started I could attempt to go back and rectify it. I don't. And, since it has been going on for at least a year now, frankly, I am not that interested in searching it out.

Really, the whole thing with you is somewhat ironic. How ever could you justify a personal attack on me- as outlined above- for something you percieve as me insulting an entire country of people? I suppose I should now say something like it must be your lack of education?

[pomtzu]

And Christmas is just around the corner..................

TIS THE SEASON TO BE JOLLY

And I guess we could throw in "Love Thy Neighbor" - just for good measure!

[lizbud]

No, I don't know how offensive the term "Irish twins" really is. I have heard people say it, in referring to their own children. I don't see a single thing offensive about it, obviously, or I would never have said it.

It is derogatory slang that slurs Irish Catholic Moms & I find it offensive.

[Cataholic]

It is derogatory slang that slurs Irish Catholic Moms & I find it offensive.

Then, perhaps, you state that- WITHOUT slamming me. To somehow associate that phrase, and my use of it, with the other terms you suggested is pretty far stretched. How my education came into play is anyone's guess. I don't think you truly need a lesson on how education, upbringing and bias are not truly related, do you? The most educated can be prejudiced, and the most uneducated can be non-biased. To me, if you truly had doubt as to my intentions (which I doubt very much), you could only think of what I have posted in the last, what, 6 years, and say, "well, I can't really remember her ever speaking in a racist tone before, maybe I misunderstood her intentions?". Course, that isn't near as much fun as slamming me, is it?

I might add, off topic, that the term was used as a derogatory slang, two decades ago. It is a term, today, frequently used to describe anyone's children- regardless of race, creed or national origin, that came within 12 months of one another. Go check out a few parenting boards, or, even a twins board. The term is used more benignly that you have suggested. In fact, the struggle with the term today is that 12 months is too restrictive, and the phrase should apply to those with children born within 15 months of one another. Who would have thunk, eh?

Apparently, the most current trend is to call them "Palin Twins" based on Sarah Palin's opinions on abstinance and sex education.

In any event, you have every right to be offended, but, not to be offensive.

[pomtzu]

So I'm Italian and have been called a "WOP". Do I get offended and retaliate with more name calling or slurs??? - nope - why should I? I really think some people are overly sensitive and easily offended over trivial matters - really pretty darned thin-skinned IMO!!! Get upset over something that really matters - like the subject of this thread!!!

[sparks19]

So I'm Italian and have been called a "WOP". Do I get offended and retaliate with more name calling or slurs??? - nope - why should I? I really think some people are overly sensitive and easily offended over trivial matters - really pretty darned thin-skinned IMO!!! Get upset over something that really matters - like the subject of this thread!!!

This is way off topic but you just reminded me....

We used to rent a cottage every year in northern ontario and there was this restaurant owned by a frenchman and an italian and it was called... get this....

The Wop and Frog restaurant lol and the logo was a grog with a big black mustache and a puffy white chefs hat on LOL

[pomtzu]

The Wop and Frog restaurant lol and the logo was a grog with a big black mustache and a puffy white chefs hat on LOL

And I'm sure no one was ever offended by it!