California AB1634 Mandatory Spay/Neuter (MSN)

**SemaviLady** · 07-10-2007, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

My big bugaboo is with the use of any dogs by a police department to apprehend/subdue suspects.

I do not mind drug and bomb sniffing dogs, but to have any officer send a dog-who does not realize the danger invovled - into a situation where harm may come to the animal, shows a disrespect for the animal and the bond, loyalty and fearlessness that it shows to it's handler.

Taking consent to a new level.

I have enough problems with the complicated EULAs on software. Yeesh. When one has almost trusted the vendor for years, they sometimes slip a new rule in that you would never have clicked to agree, if you knew what it meant.

But yes, it makes sense to me at some level, more like idealism if it could happen. On the same token with the same logic, we would then need animal consent forms for neutering.

- Do they understand what is going to happen to them?
- Do they agree with the reason that it is done?
- Do they agree that the belief system of another species to surgically alter them to in order to effect convenient behavioral traits to them is appropriate?
- Would they rather reproduce? (LOL)

And right there at that level, one is eye to eye with the dichotomy of Animal Rights Extremism . We don't have a right to own them and make decisions for them.

**SemaviLady** · 07-12-2007, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by mugsy

You can take statistics and skew them anyway you want them skewed, so I don't buy into that.

The new statistics say that what is posted isn't right, so, there you have it...

There were definite problems here. State law requires the shelters to report their statistics.

There were apparently two sets of data. Stats that were reported to the state as required and NEW stats that weren't reported and used in promotion of the bill.

Originally Posted by mugsy

I am totally in favor of mandatory spay/neuter. I also think the AKC needs to pull itself out of the Dark Ages and not require the show dogs to be unaltered.

I do have problems with the AKC but there are no organizations without fault. Some of their most recent mistakes have alienated some of their former faithful.

Originally Posted by mugsy

They do enough to further puppy mills, they don't need to make more pups!

They recently granted some interesting exemptions to commercial producers, in order to get them to register with AKC again. Yes, that's a problem.

Originally Posted by mugsy

I know the old story of "better the breed" but, that's just ridiculous...they don't bother to look at the millions of dogs and cats that are killed each year because no one wants them...most times their response is, "they're just mixed breeds, why are you worried, we're furthering the good of the breed." OY!

Actually people can have any opinion they want and it may not be right. There are actually studies of why pets are in shelters, and it does have to do with issues of convenience.

If a pet isn't working out, or the people are moving, I think the pet may have additionally presented challenges (behavioral?) that their human caretakers have grown a little tired of, so the pet becomes disposable.

This is not an overpopulation problem any more than the one where human mothers refuse to care for their kids and the kids are put into limbo.