Scholarship For Whites Only

[catnapper]

Kim, That may be the whole athletic thing and not just skin color, unfortunately the athletes get a free ride lots of times and not the scholars.

You are so right -- I should have mentioned all their friends are also minorities but not athletes and all are on free rides as well. Its very disheartening.

[Sevaede]

I didn't want to get involved in this, but economic and sociological studies show that non-whites and females are still at a major disadvantage in our country. I've got no problem with scholarships for them. And while I believe that people have every right to make a scholarship for whites, I don't believe they are sending a good message. Furthermore I think many of the comments made by pters on this thread are dissappointingly ignorant and unfortunately they reflect all to well the attitudes of white christian americans.

Is this directed towards me?

My *whole* stance on the WHOLE situation is this it is unfair for either race to do it period. I think that maybe in the beginning, yeah, I could understand because there was still a great deal of racism something like 50 and 60 years ago. Now, they serve no purpose except to add fuel to the fire.

Did you know that I was denied medical care (insurance, rather) by where I used to live, and Yes, they told me this, because I was white? What's a girl with a heart defect supposed to do?

I guess when my husband was younger and in school, he'd have friends who happened to be black. Their parents would FORCE them to fail school because they got money when that happened. (or something to that effect, I'd have to ask him later)

I am not racist, not by any means. There is supposedly some NA on my mothers side and something else on my fathers side. Most of my friends happen to be folks with hispanic backgrounds, black backgrounds, etc. Also, my best friend when I was younger was a girl who happend to have biracial background. I have a friend whose daughter is biracial. My niece, Grace, is biracial and I certainly don't count that against her. =/ I have a friend with biracial family. Yes, I ALSO have black family members (Two cousins and an aunt, through my departed uncle).

To sum it up... I think that if people REALLY wanna be progressive then they should refer to you by something other than your race, etc. How about just "person" or "dude" or whatever?

[Pembroke_Corgi]

. this is a two way street and I don't think in this day and age that we have any advantage over anyone.

I thought this comment was a bit over the top, sorry. Women still, to this day, make something like 23% less than men in this country. Minority groups still experience racism in everyday life, and while things are better, they are not nearly perfect.

I don't agree with any kind of racism- but when a group has experienced institutionalized racism for sooooo long, I can understand where specific scholarships come from. That being said, I would prefer to see scholarships given to students based on a mixture of academics and finances.

[RICHARD]

I love race cards!

[king2005]

Wenisrubber: 100% agreed

Richard: Too funny

Now that I think of it.. do they even have racial scholarships here in Canada? I refused to apply to them as I wanted to pay for schooling on my own, or aleast try. I still owe 15k & the government is currently paying for my intrest (it just stops it from getting bigger, while I can't afford to pay it in full), as I'm broke, but I still put a few $$ here & there to help pay it off on my own. It makes me feel more proud.

[Cataholic]

I thought this comment was a bit over the top, sorry. Women still, to this day, make something like 23% less than men in this country. Minority groups still experience racism in everyday life, and while things are better, they are not nearly perfect.

I don't agree with any kind of racism- but when a group has experienced institutionalized racism for sooooo long, I can understand where specific scholarships come from. That being said, I would prefer to see scholarships given to students based on a mixture of academics and finances.

Well said, PC. I think the majority of people that don't 'see' racism, sexism, etc., are simply not paying attention. And, seems largely white, as well!

[king2005]

I'm white & I'm the Minority here in this city, & I see racism all the time. its mostly towards whites too. Most places to work here are not held by whites, as the owners aren't white, so they mostly stick to their own race. Just go to a Timmies & count the white people. Its rare to see us there. Even in this huge company I work for, there is few whites. More Indians & Koreans then anything.

Honestly I just ignore it all & don't care. I was just lucky that I had plenty of manager work exp. back in Ottawa & this company saw that & took me on, but I had to work my butt off to excell over others, which ment overtime, little sleep & coming into work ill & hungry... Andrew isn't so lucky, he has less work exp. as he went to university & he can't even get a job at a fast food joint. hes been jobless for over a month. & whats sad is that the turn over rate at the places hes applying to are insane, cause they keep picking race over skills & personality (as in a good work ethic, mind set kind of thing).

Being whitie & walking through the park is scary as heck! The only people I've read being randomly attacked here are white. 2 young white ladies were shot with pellet guns 11+ times in the park at 11am (sunny day).

When I worked for this company about a year ago, they shuned me because I was the only whitie & couldn't pronounce 1/2 their clients names properly. I heard the whitie jokes too..

So being white doesn't make me ontop. I fully understand racism & being hated for who I am (gone through that all my life, including being beaten & picked on).. & I still dissagree with this race scholarship BS... It should be given to the "people" who earn it with skils, not race!

[Lady's Human]

Okay, let's all join in the chorus.........


White Male Residents of the United States are the source of all evil in the world.



Just as an example.............

Let's take the PO I work at as a microcosm.......

There are males and females in all jobs. Clerks, mailhandlers, techs, etc.

On average, the Males earn about 15-20% more than most (not all) of the females. How is that so, when we're a union shop, everyone's on the same wage scale, and equal opportunity is brutally enforced?

Very simply, out of all the female clerks, there are Three on the OT list. Out of all the mailhandlers, there are two females on the OT list. Out of all the maintenance personnel, there is one female on the OT list.

I would be amused to see the results of a study comparing annual compensation in relation to hours worked for males and females (By payroll data, not census data), but I can't find one.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

Okay, let's all join in the chorus.........


White Male Residents of the United States are the source of all evil in the world.



Just as an example.............

Let's take the PO I work at as a microcosm.......

There are males and females in all jobs. Clerks, mailhandlers, techs, etc.

On average, the Males earn about 15-20% more than most (not all) of the females. How is that so, when we're a union shop, everyone's on the same wage scale, and equal opportunity is brutally enforced?

Very simply, out of all the female clerks, there are Three on the OT list. Out of all the mailhandlers, there are two females on the OT list. Out of all the maintenance personnel, there is one female on the OT list.

I would be amused to see the results of a study comparing annual compensation in relation to hours worked for males and females (By payroll data, not census data), but I can't find one.

No one is saying that white males are the "source of all evil." Admittedly, part of the reason that women make, ON AVERAGE, less than men, is because they are in lower paying jobs, such as daycare workers, etc. But, we need to ask ourselves, do women seek out lower paying careers, or are they placed there, in many ways, by the constraints of our society?

[king2005]

Okay, let's all join in the chorus.........


White Male Residents of the United States are the source of all evil in the world.



Just as an example.............

Let's take the PO I work at as a microcosm.......

There are males and females in all jobs. Clerks, mailhandlers, techs, etc.

On average, the Males earn about 15-20% more than most (not all) of the females. How is that so, when we're a union shop, everyone's on the same wage scale, and equal opportunity is brutally enforced?

Very simply, out of all the female clerks, there are Three on the OT list. Out of all the mailhandlers, there are two females on the OT list. Out of all the maintenance personnel, there is one female on the OT list.

I would be amused to see the results of a study comparing annual compensation in relation to hours worked for males and females (By payroll data, not census data), but I can't find one.

Maybe Canada is different from the usa in that department. Here in this company, its fairly = as to who gets OT & who does't. It also really depends on the job.
Ex. The people who work in Credits & Accounting all get OT regardless of sex, however the majority are females. Most of the TOP managers have to do OT & they happen to be mostly Korean males (from Korea).. Then in the Call Centre its based on stats & who wants to do it. The top OT person there is a female & shes one of 2 females, as most females don't like call centres, but they do hire plenty, they just don't last as long.

My dad worked at the RRC for 30yrs & was getting they same pay as everyone else. Sometimes even less as he choose not to do overtime, so he could go home & spend time with his kids.

Just from what I've seen from all my jobs & others jobs, OT is based on job, need, & who wants to do it, not Sex... I'm sure if more males are willing to do OT, then DUH males are gonna have a larger pay cheque in the end.. but before OT we're all equal & some raises are soley based on skills/personal stats. As my raise was higher then many males cause I worked my butt off & earned it.

[Lady's Human]

King,

The OT list in the PO is voluntary. The point I was making is that on average, women working the same jobs as men in the plant I'm in make less. Not because of the wage scale (all on equal footing) but because of the number of hours worked, because the female employees are less likely to sign up for overtime.

[king2005]

King,

The OT list in the PO is voluntary. The point I was making is that on average, women working the same jobs as men in the plant I'm in make less. Not because of the wage scale (all on equal footing) but because of the number of hours worked, because the female employees are less likely to sign up for overtime.

If the women choose not to do OT then thats their own problem. Thats a large issue with the stats, t doesn't break it down. Compair normal hours & then OT thats asked, required, forced to do or does not want to do. I'm sure that people will realize that Women choose not to make more money on average, not that they cannot.

Thats why I dissgree with the race or sex schoolarships. It should be based on skills period.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

I'm sure that people will realize that Women choose not to make more money on average, not that they cannot.

I suppose you could argue that women choose not to make more money because they just don't like working overtime.

However, you could also point out, that most of the burden of childcare, household tasks, etc, falls on women in most households. Maybe, they simply don't have the time to work OT, unlike some of their male counterparts.

[Lady's Human]

PC, in our case, it's very simple. The occupation I'm in pays more than the occupation my wife had when we had children. (Electronic/industrial maintenance vs newspaper advertising). Doesn't matter which was in which profession.

As she had the lower wage job, she cut her hours back to allow me to work more. It's just economic common sense. Had it been the other way around, I would have removed myself from the OT list and stayed home more.

There's no conspiracy, folks. Move on.

[Twisterdog]

I suppose you could argue that women choose not to make more money because they just don't like working overtime.

However, you could also point out, that most of the burden of childcare, household tasks, etc, falls on women in most households. Maybe, they simply don't have the time to work OT, unlike some of their male counterparts.

If most of the burden of childcare, household tasks, etc. falls on the women in a household, that is their own fault for not saying, "Hey, buddy, get your lazy butt off the couch and help me with the dishes." If he's a jerk and won't, then it's her own fault for staying with him. It's not the 50's anymore. Come on ... June and Ward Cleaver is ancient history. I think that is a very sexist and outdated attitude to have.

And, just as a side note, in a lot of households (mine included), yes, the woman (me) does do most of the household tasks ... cooking dinner, laundry, etc. However, my husband does most, if not all, of the outside stuff ... mowing the grass, cleaning up after the dogs, taking care of the cars, the gutters, the trees, the snow removal, taking out the garbage, etc. I don't feel compelled to divide everything exactly down the middle ... "You must cook dinner 3.5 times this week!" ... because I don't want him to say, "Ok, fine. Then you must change the oil in all the cars next month." Nope.

I know women who decided to take a few months, or a few years, off after they had a child. They chose to do so, no one forced them to. They could have put the child in daycare and gone right back to work. But, if you choose to take five years off from a job, and your office mate chooses to work full time during those five years, of course he OR she is going to be making more then you when you go back to work five years later. I also know men who chose to stay home and be a stay-at-home dad when the children were born, or who opted to work part-time. I'm sure these men expect and accept the fact that when they go back to work they will be making much less then their continuously employed counterparts. There are a LOT of reasons why women make less then men. And why some men make less then some women. They ONLY reason is not sexism.