evolution is bogus

[Cincy'sMom]

Originally posted by lotrfreak
Cincy's Mom.....taht has ABSOLUTELY no point whatsoever. Here is a fact the sky is blue. The Bible had all of the facts before anyone chose to believe it was true. Hollywood movies have facts like the sky is blue and everyone knows that. It is just common sense

That is my point exactly!!! Okay, so a specific rock is more convincing then a generalization such as the color of the sky, but using ONE fact to say an entire documents is correct, does not work!!

The fact of the matter is the Bible has been passed down from generation to genereration, both orally and in written text. It has been translated and retranslated. To say that every fact is 100% correct, just can't be. You want proof? Pick up a King James' Bible and a Catholic Bible. Then throw in another translation of your choice. Read passage for passage. Do they all have the exact same meaning? You want to prove something using the Bible? You certainly can! You want to disprove it? You can do that too!
So which one is correct? So who is right?

[zippy-kat]

Originally posted by lotrfreak
Cincy's Mom.....taht has ABSOLUTELY no point whatsoever. Here is a fact the sky is blue. The Bible had all of the facts before anyone chose to believe it was true. Hollywood movies have facts like the sky is blue and everyone knows that. It is just common sense

But the sky isn't always blue. Here in NM it's often pink, orange, red....

And even when it is BLUE, there's many different shades......

Likewise, there isn't just one "right" view. There's different ideas, concerns, situations that can turn something "wrong" into something "right."

Keep in mind that the Bible has been translated into many different languages and meanings are often lost in those translations...

Also, sometimes the "good stuff" isn't just knowing that "the sky is blue"... it's good to question things... so... do you know WHY the sky is blue?

[mugsy]

lotrfreak....you are becoming a broken record here. Somehow I find it annoying that a young teen is telling the adults that they don't know what they are talking about. Pretty presumptuous if you ask me. Perhaps, lotrfreak, if you would listen instead of preach you might actually open your mind and learn something. It's awfully sad that someone so young has such a closed mind.

Richard....I NEVER stop teaching! hehehehe (ask Mike!)
First question: What body of water separates Spain from Africa? hehhehe

[wolfsoul]

lotrfreak....you are becoming a broken record here.

No kidding...I find it odd how lotrfreak posts again and again after the other posts he/she just made And what I find even more odd, is that Jesus Freak!!! did the exact same thing

I don't know if it's just that lotrfreak doesn't know how to scroll down and fit all the info on one post, or if he/she is just constantly bumping the thread back up so more people can look and start it up again?


mugsy, I think I know the answer to your question *waits patiently for RICHARD to answer*

[zippy-kat]

Originally posted by popcornbird
That's the thing about the Quran. It remains original unlike the Bible and Torah and other books revealed by God. God promised to keep it original, and God kept it as He sent it till today. Not a single letter is changed. That's why there can be no mistake in the Quran because its EXACTLY as God revealed it. Just had to say that.

I don't know squat about the Quran, but you're gonna have to provide me with some links before I buy that idea.

[NoahsMommy]

Originally posted by Cincy'sMom
The fact of the matter is the Bible has been passed down from generation to genereration, both orally and in written text. It has been translated and retranslated. To say that every fact is 100% correct, just can't be. You want proof? Pick up a King James' Bible and a Catholic Bible. Then throw in another translation of your choice. Read passage for passage. Do they all have the exact same meaning? You want to prove something using the Bible? You certainly can! You want to disprove it? You can do that too!
So which one is correct? So who is right?

I'm not trying to be mean...but I hate when people say this. I'm going to quote John 3:16 from every bible I can get my hands on at home an online. You be the judge...simple as that.

NIV:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

NASB:
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

MSG:
"This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life."

AMP:
"For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life."

NLT:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

KJV:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ESV:
"For God so loved the world,[1] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

CEV:
"God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die."

NKJV:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

There are about 7 more translations. Please go here:
Bible Gateway to learn what each translation is, if you are interested.

In MY opinion, that kind of negates the arguement that its been translated "SO" many times that it isn't true. I'd like people to have their facts, before making assumptions like that.

PCB....I agree with Zippy-Kat. I'd like some sort of way of checking that out. That's a pretty harsh statement....

[shais_mom]

Originally posted by zippy-kat
I don't know squat about the Quran, but you're gonna have to provide me with some links before I buy that idea.

I wanted to say something like this too, but couldn't think of what to say. How do you know that they just don't tell you that?
And don't say b/c that is what they said!

[Cincy'sMom]

Originally posted by NoahsMommy
I'm not trying to be mean...but I hate when people say this. I'm going to quote John 3:16 from every bible I can get my hands on at home an online. You be the judge...simple as that.

NIV:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

NASB:
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

MSG:
"This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life."



AMP:
"For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life."

NLT:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

KJV:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ESV:
"For God so loved the world,[1] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

CEV:
"God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die."

NKJV:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

There are about 7 more translations. Please go here:
Bible Gateway to learn what each translation is, if you are interested.

In MY opinion, that kind of negates the arguement that its been translated "SO" many times that it isn't true. I'd like people to have their facts, before making assumptions like that.

PCB....I agree with Zippy-Kat. I'd like some sort of way of checking that out. That's a pretty harsh statement....

I was not trying to get into a debate with those who really do study and understand the Bible, merely make a point to someone is is making a gneralization because of one statement. There are MANY, MANY passages that do have the exact same meaning throughout. That is why I said, readit passage for passage, not pick ANY passage. There are some that have dfferent meanings.... I can not quoate any at this second, and If I have time later, I will find some.

The only statement of yours I disagree with

I'd like people to have their facts, before making assumptions like that.

I do have my facts, and I am not making assumptions. I have studied the Bible in college classes, in parochial school, and by vivisting several differnt churches over my life. I believe in the Bible...butlike I siad, becuase of all the translations, you can not garuntee that every single passage as the exact same meaning in every single one.....

[IttyBittyKitty]

Originally posted by lotrfreak
actually, i have a round map hanging up in my room, thank-you very much. Yes, arcaeologists can prove the Bible is correct.

I got these from books by Ralph O. Muncaster

These are the historical comparisons of Scientific insight
S= Science

All of these things were taught in the Bible. Next to the S shows who and when discovered it

The hydrologic cycle defined S-Perrault and Mariotte 1700s
The earth “hangs on nothing” in space S-Copernicus 1543
Light is in motion S- Newton, Huygens 1600s
Air has weight S- Toricelli 1643
Time, space, and matter had a beginning S-Einstein 1916
The order of creation S-1800s-1900s
First law of thermodynamics S- Joule Mayer 1842
The sun moves in a circuit of the galaxy S- Eary 1900s
Currents exsist in the oceans S-Matthew Fontaine Maury 1855


I have more………



Does the Bible conflict with Science?

The more the Bible is studied, the more surprising it becomes that people often think it is in conflict with science. Yet science’s rejection of the Bible has become common only in the last hundred years. Great scientists of the past, including Newton, Kepler, and Galileo, were all avid readers and believers of the Bible. As scientists are slowly becoming aware of the incredible wealth of the recently discovered information, a scientific return to the Bible is occurring.


Archaeology proves the Bible correct


God told Moses that the promised land would have “rocks of iron and copper that could be dug from hills” (Deuteronomy 8:9). Twenty miles south of the Dead Sea, a large area is dotted with ancient furnaces. The vast region is covered with heaps of copper slag, and some copper veins are still visible above ground.

Do you need more examples….because I have some…..

I have read the Bible thoroughly, and I don't remember seeing anything like that explicitly stated. I may have merely forgotten, please provide references.

Even if it is there, translators have had the last couple centuries to change vague verses about the abovementioned concepts into what they had learnt to be the reality. This is where personal interpretations come into play in translations.

And once again, PLEASE, PLEASE provide citations for any rhetoric that you quote from (apart from the Bible, you are obviously not so keen to plagiarise God) ...

[mugsy]

PSSSTTT...Richard....I think you're ignoring me!! Where's my answer??

[ramanth]

This thread alone is why I disslike "organized" religion.

I may not have all my facts right, but the way I interpret the Bible is that everyone is born with sin.

So for example, a baby dies just a few short hours after it is born. A soul destined for hell because it wasn't baptized in the churches eyes.

However a serial killer on death row, a mere hour before their execution can truthfully ask God for forgiveness and be let into Heaven.

How is that fair?

I do not believe I was born with Sin. I believe that yes there is a Divine Power and I know for a fact that I will never truely understand what that power is... be it a god or an alien or whatever. I believe that I am in charge of my life and my decisions determine what kind of person I am or will be. I do not need to be in a church run by some child molesting predator for the power to hear my thoughts, worries, and prayers.

Jesus was born a Jew. How the heck did Christians take over?

Think of it this way.... millions of years from now some race digs up a DVD about David Copperfield and figure out how to unlock it's secrets.

"Did you see that?! He made that Statue dissapear! He must be a god!"

[marysmerrycats]

So for example, a baby dies just a few short hours after it is born. A soul destined for hell because it wasn't baptized in the churches eyes.
However a serial killer on death row, a mere hour before their execution can truthfully ask God for forgiveness and be let into Heaven.

I have not read the Bible for a long time, so I can't comment on that... but no matter what the church might say, I don't believe that an innocent baby would be bound for hell. I think babies should be baptized, it is like you are telling God, I believe in you and here is my child, I will raise him/her to know you. to believe in you.
I don't believe that innocent babies/children go to hell.
suposedly, by what the church teaches, there is limbo, or purgatory, not just heaven/hell but I don't believe that babies would go there either.

as for the serial killer, if he is genuinely sorry, in his heart, and asks forgivenss, and believes in God, then yes I believe God would accept him into Heaven.
I don't know how often that actually happens, a death row priest would know...

I do not need to be in a church run by some child molesting predator for the power to hear my thoughts, worries, and prayers

I understand what you mean, you can talk to God anywhere. but not all priests/ministers etc are child molesters you know. I actually have not gone to chruch for a long time, but when I go it is because I want to hear what they have to say, sometimnes I like listening to the priest, and i feel good in Church. but I absolutely am disgusted on their first response about the scandel, and I will not forget that first reaction...like i have said in other posts, it is that reacation that has made me consideer changing chruches.. something I never would have dreamed of before.

anyway, what does any of this have to do with evolution?

[catland]

If evolution is bogus, then why is 97% of human and chimpanzee DNA identical?

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by mugsy
PSSSTTT...Richard....I think you're ignoring me!! Where's my answer??

I'M TRYING TO GET MY TRIP SLIPS SIGNED.....


GEEZ....



organized religion is just a license to hate some one who does not believe in YOUR god...

[ramanth]

Originally posted by marysmerrycats
I understand what you mean, you can talk to God anywhere. but not all priests/ministers etc are child molesters you know.

I do know. I appologize for making that comment so blantently. Like you, the churches response to the whole thing really steams me.

anyway, what does any of this have to do with evolution?

In a sense, nothing really. The whole topic is pointless. Yes, I believe in evolution. But I shouldn't have to explain myself to anyone. It's obvious no one is going to change anyone elses mind on the matter.

It's a neverending circle of "I'm right, you're wrong and nothing you can say will change my mind."

I don't claim to be right and I don't think anyone is wrong to believe in something.