Is A breeder allowed to...

[kittycats_delight]

I still don't think it is allowed where this person Buddy is boarding with is his breeder or not. Unless it is stipulated in your contact you got when you adopted Buddy that they can breed their female(s) with Buddy at any time without permission then I don't think they are legally allow to breed unless you give the go ahead.

[cloverfdx]

If it is in the contract then she can breed him . Do you not have a copy of his contract? if not ask to view it before leaving him on Friday.

Goodluck.

[GoldenRetrieverLover_01]

If what is in the contract than she can breed him? I think I will take a look at the contract...thanks

[cloverfdx]

If he is on breeders term eg, dog is to be kept intact until he is mature to see if he will improve her lines etc.

I am off to bed.

[finn's mom]

Originally posted by GoldenRetrieverLover_01
If what is in the contract than she can breed him? I think I will take a look at the contract...thanks

I would think that if it says not to neuter him, it's because she wants him bred. But, if it says for you not to breed him, I would think that means he's being unaltered so that she can breed him. You should definitely read the contract again to make sure it says that. I'll definitely be sure to look for that kind of agreement if I ever buy a dog from a breeder again, because I wouldn't buy a dog I couldn't spay or neuter. i would want that decision to be up to me. I hope you're able to find the contract. Let us know what it says......

[Lexi_Lover]

But what about all the things she needs to get certified and checked, I still don't understand that!?!?!?

[finn's mom]

Originally posted by Lexi_Lover
But what about all the things she needs to get certified and checked, I still don't understand that!?!?!?

You mean the breeder? I would think if she'd done it as a pup, and, had the parents done, that might be enough. I don't know, though, I'm just brainstorming. And, maybe she plans to have all that checked out.....

[Pit Chick]

If you signed a breed back contract when you bought the dog then she has the right to breed him. If it merely states that you can't breed or neuter him and nothing is mentioned about her having breeding rights, then she needs your permission to breed because like a female that gets pregnant against the owners wishes, it can be considered damage to property. However, if she plans to breed him while you are gone and before he has had any kind of genetic health screenings/certifications or temperamant tests/certifications, then she is being irresponsible and should not be breeding period. It already sounds like she is irresponsible if she sold a dog with a breed back contract to a family that doesn't show their dogs. A reputable breeder that sells a show/breeding quality dog will usually sell it to another show person with a breed back contract because they know the dog is going to be show quality and have the ability to win titles. It would be pointless to sell a show quality pup to a family just wanting a pet. If you can't trust this person, then the dog doesn't need to stay there. One way you can tell if a male dog has been bred is how low their testicles hang. The more they've been bred, the lower they hang.

[lv4dogs]

I agree with everyone, especially pitchick. It will state in the contract if she can or can not breed him. If it says nothing about breeding him than she has no right to breed him, but why else would she state that he can not be neutered?

If it is in the contract I would tell the breeder that she can not breed until the dog has a complete exam, (xrays, bloodwork etc) to make sure your dog is in great health & poses no genetic health risks. Especailly hip & elbow dysplasia, eye & heart disease as these are the most common problems with goldens. But you should also check his background & blood to make sure there is no record of hypothyroidism, seizure disorders and other orthopedic disorders in his genetics.

[LuvGold00]

Unless Buddy has FULL health clearances including:

OFA Hips -- Fair or better
OFA Elbows -- Normal
Eyes -- Cleared by a board certified opthamologist (sp?)
Heart -- Cleared by a board certified cardiologist (sp?)
Thyroid tests to ensure thers is no issue there.

If he doesn't have ALL of those I would tell that breeder there is no shot she's breeding him until he passes all of them; and find another place to board him. Even if both his parents have all those clearances, it still doesn't guarantee HE will get them also... If that was the case there would be no reason for the clearances because you'd be able to breed 2 dogs with Excellent hips and all their offspring would also have Excellent hips...

BUT, on the other side... If a contract was signed that states the breeder has breeding rights to Buddy WITHOUT those clearances then I'm not sure you're options. It's a tough situation and it all comes down to what exactly was written and agreed upon in his contract.
If you need any help understanding the contract please feel free to PM me and I'll do all that I can.

Good luck!

[IRescue452]

My guess with your dog is like most breeders: you are not the full owner, you are more like the handler who keeps the dog for the breeder. Yes she can use this do for breeding if and when she wants without your permission. If you had a female you would have an extra contract for breeding since you either would be taking charge of the pregnancy and puppies or giving her to the breeder until the puppies are weaned. Since you own a male she doesn't necessarily need to ask you and you cannot charge her a stud fee either unless it is in the contract that she will pay you to breed her own dog. Not fair? Well most breeders consider the people they adopt out to as handlers who the dog will be living with and this is all common practice. You buy a quality dog from a quality breeder then expect that dog to be used for breeding by that breeder. If you don't want your dog bred then get a pet quality that the breeder will allow you to neuter.

[BitsyNaceyDog]

Originally posted by Lexi_Lover
Hmm...well I would think that a vet would take good care, especially with all of their staff. Just my guess! We have a REALLY nice boarding kennel nearby us called the Paw-N-DA-rosa. Its so neat! I know of many boarders, if you PM'ed me with where you live in Ontario, I could help you. Or, bring him to a Dog Grooming place or another Golden breeder!

I've yet to see a decent vet boarding facility. I'm not saying there isn't any, but it's rare. I wouldn't leave my dog at the vet to board.

[finn's mom]

Did you find out what the contract said? I'm very curious!

[GoldenRetrieverLover_01]

Thanks for all your help. I have not yet looked at the contract..I'll have to do that later. From all of your help here is what I'm going to do: 1) take a look at the contract
2) ask her not to breed Buddy

She really is a good breeder, i don't have anything against her and I'm not trying to make her the bad guy. I just hope she respects our wishes of not breeding Buddy. Buddy is healthy- I'm not sure if he's had all those things checked that people have said, but I know every time the vet sees him there are no problems.

Once again thanks for all your help, I'm sure everything will turn out good and I'll keep you updated. Now I'm just worried about Buddy cuz he's gonna miss us so much...poor guy he's never been away from home like this and he'll be with the breeder for 1 week. I'm not sure how he's gonna respond to the other dogs either. He's probably gonna be really sad and whimpering to see us go... I'm thinking I'll buy him a new toy before we go, something to make him happy. How does that sound?

[Pit Chick]

Originally posted by GoldenRetrieverLover_01
She really is a good breeder, i don't have anything against her and I'm not trying to make her the bad guy. I just hope she respects our wishes of not breeding Buddy. Buddy is healthy- I'm not sure if he's had all those things checked that people have said, but I know every time the vet sees him there are no problems.

A good person, probably, a good breeder, at this point is questionable. He hasn't had any genetic health screenings because they have to be a certain age to have those done and you would know if they were done because you would have been there and paid for it. His parents however should have had them done and if they didn't, that's yet another sign of an irresponsible breeder. A vet check is just for the general health of the dog, not genetic testing.