Baby beat up Tikeya... bad

[pnance]

Sorry realized I did put this in the last post.....all that said I hope Tikeya feels better soon.....

[ParNone]

I could very easily have been in this situation with Oz and Gull. My head logically wants to treat Oz as alpha, because he's my right hand man and older, but the reality is Gull has a more dominant personality. Since I don't want life to be miserable for Oz, in the things that Gull cares about, Gull gets preferential treatment. Doesn't mean Oz and Murph miss out on anything, they just don't get it first.

As an example, Gull is very, very food oriented, so he gets all food, treats, bones first. When I do that, he's fine with Oz and Murph getting theirs after him and we have no issue.

About a month ago though, I wasn't paying close attention to how important some philly cheese steak dippings was to him and I almost had a full blown dog fight on my hands. I was letting him lick the plate and Oz came over and tried to lick at the same time and Gull turned and went after him. Since Oz backed off immediately there wasn't any bloodshed. It was mainly for show, but boy it sounded bad. All I got out was an "Unt" though and it was already over. I did not go off on Gull though. I didn't even separate them. IMO, punishing or ostracizing Gull was only going to make things worse for Oz in the long run. I wasn't going to reward the behavior though, so I calmly put the plate away and said to both of'em that nobody was getting anymore today and I went off to do something else, ignoring them. Incident over.

Then the next day, I had cheese steak again, on purpose. I put both of them in a "Stay" with at least 10 feet between'em. I then let Gull lick the plate for a few seconds, then went over and let Oz lick for a few, then Murph (I can't count on him to stay, so I think he was safely on the bed). I then made the round again, with no issue. I told everybody what a good dog they had been and that there would definitely be more cheese steak in their future for being so good, and then I put the plate up. No issues at all.

It's not all black and white though. There are things Gull doesn't care about, like sleeping on my bed, which is good, because that's one thing Oz does care about. So Oz and Murph sleep on my bed with me and Gull sleeps on his own bed that's on the floor next to me. I try and read each dog and situation and do what'll result in the most harmonious outcome. Not get so caught up on forcing human dynamics on them.

Anywho, that was a very longwinded way of saying I think Dixieland had some very good advice on the issue.

Par...

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by pnance
If your really not comfortable leaving them together when your not around I'd either lock one in one room one in the another, or alternate who gets outside time. One day Tikeya, one day Baby. Just my opinion.

Tikeya cant be left outdoors alone, without a person there she has severe seperation anxiety when left alone, and she would SCREAm bloody murder till somone let her inside. Bab on the other hand doesnt mind being left outdoors.

[Glacier]

The full effects of a dog fight often take several days to appear. Tikeya will likely be stiff and sore for up to a week. You may find more wounds for a few days too--husky fur hides small wounds very well! If she has puncture wounds, she needs to see a vet. They get infected very easily. The wound is actually much larger underneath the skin and can cause major abcesses. I missed one on Goldie last summer. Had I seen it earlier, I could have saved Goldie a lot of pain and misery and myself 600 dollars in vet bills!

I keep all my females seperated when I'm not there to directly supervise them. Three of them would likely be fine together, the other three would try to rip each other to shreds at the slightest provocation.

I handle fights a little differently. Fighting is not acceptable in my yard--it still happens, but it's not ok. Every dog involved, no matter who started it or why gets punished. If you were involved in the fight, you get tied up or otherwise separated from the pack. Obviously injured dogs get whatever care they need.

I've said this before here, but here it is again. I don't reinforce any of my dogs as the alpha. I am the pack leader. I don't give a hoot which one of them thinks they are pack boss. I don't feed anyone first or in any particular order. Most often Deuce gets fed first as he looses his mind if he has to wait. I don't give any one dog extra treats, attention or preferred sleeping spots ect.

That said, Muskwa is the pack leader. He's a natural born alpha. He's never fought to defend that title. He never had to. Even dogs he has never met before recognize that he is the boss of them. He has no need for aggressive behavior to keep his rank. But he eats with everyone else, whenever I fill his bowl. He sleeps on the same beds they do in the same spots. He gets the same treats whenever I give him one and he has to wait his turn just like the other 21 dogs do!

The ones I have trouble with are the ones who think they might like to be #2. A malamute breeder I know calls them Beta Bullies. They are much more hassle than a true alpha dog. Deuce is a Beta Bully, but he's getting over it. I usually find once they loose a fight and actually get hurt, as Deuce did recently, they get over the idea of moving up the heirarchy. With the males anyway, females never seem to get over it. They hold a grudge for a long time. Kayleigh and Goldie fought over a year ago and they still throw each other a little snarl through the fence every chance they get!

I hope Tikeya heals fast.

[CagneyDog]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
. Bab on the other hand doesnt mind being left outdoors.

I'm sure she minds. Would you want to be locked outside all day

[KYS]

posted by Glacier: I keep all my females separated when I'm not there to directly supervise them.
Fighting is not acceptable in my yard. >>>>>>>>>>

I agree with Glacier, she has a lot of
experience with her dogs.

I very wise woman who ran a Akita rescue once told me.
She never lets her dogs fight it out. Once an Akita
has a "full" blown fight their is a very good chance the dogs
will never forget nor forgive each-other.

Not sure if you guys remember, but Rocky and Sheba had
a couple of skirmishes a few years back.

Sending Tikeya get well wishes for her ouchies.

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by CagneyDog
I'm sure she minds. Would you want to be locked outside all day

umm how the heck do you know what my dog likes or dislikes? you dont. so dont judge me.. thanks .

ok so half of you think i should let them fight it out, the other half thinks i shouldnt.. wow.. im with glacier on this one... I will not let them act this way, it is innapropriate.

Tikeya holds grudges very well.. once a female trys to fight her, she will want to continue to fight till hell freez's over..

I think it is best to keep them seperate for a while. inless supervised..

[CagneyDog]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
umm how the heck do you know what my dog likes or dislikes? you dont.

I highly doubt your dog likes to be neglected all day long. Is she out there during the night to?

[wolfsoul]

Cagneydog, Baby is never left outside alone for more than a few minutes. She is an indoor dog. Jynnelle only replied to pnance saying that Tikeya can't be outside alone but Baby can.

I don't see this as a big "alpha fight." I don't see a reason to make a huge "training regime" because this happens once in a blue moon and I never see it as a dominance battle on Baby's part. Baby is such a submissive puppy. I don't see her as aggressive, but very defensive. Maybe seperating them when nobody home is fine, but I don't see the need to delve too deep into things.

I totally agree with Glacier. I never thought of it that way -- I always like to think about who is "top dog" and whatnot, but it is probably best to remember that YOU, the owner, are top-dog. That's quite an interesting way of thinking about it.

I hope both Baby and Tikeya feel better! Give them kisses for me...I need to see them both soon. We should go to the dog beach in the next couple weeks.

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by CagneyDog
I highly doubt your dog likes to be neglected all day long. Is she out there during the night to?

No she isnt out there all day and night...
just for four hours whil i am at school, then she comes in when i get home and she sleep with my parents at night.. I dont neglect my pets.

[CagneyDog]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
No she isnt out there all day and night...
just for four hours whil i am at school, then she comes in when i get home and she sleep with my parents at night.. I dont neglect my pets.

First wolfsoul said she is never left outside alone for more than a few minutes and now you say something completely different. Which one is it?

[wolfsoul]

I haven't even been to Jynnelle's house since she started school a few weeks ago. Before she was in school Baby was inside all the time.

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by CagneyDog
First wolfsoul said she is never left outside alone for more than a few minutes and now you say something completely different. Which one is it?

omg.. wow.. your very stuborn arnt you?


When NOONE is home BABY is outside, and Tikeya & oscar are inside. As soon as somone is home to watch them then they all come inside.

All three are inside dogs..
BUT if noone is home to supervise them all in the house, Baby goes outdoors and Tikeya and oscar stay inside..

I am tired of repeating my self. so this is the last time I am going to type this.. Get it through your head ok . thanks

[CagneyDog]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom
I am tired of repeating my self. so this is the last time I am going to type this.. Get it through your head ok . thanks

Yes I am stubborn

You only said it once, and then your friend came a long and contradicted you so I was wonder which one of was speaking the truth!

[tikeyas_mom]

Originally posted by CagneyDog
Yes I am stubborn

You only said it once, and then your friend came a long and contradicted you so I was wonder which one of was speaking the truth!

i never once typed that I leave Baby outside ALL day and Night. did I?? no.. you just assumed thats what I ment.