in heat

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Maja


your suggestion coud be like this;
When a man is neutered, the only difference is no heat cycles, better judgement (where aggression is involved), better obedience (thinking with head instead of you know where), less health problems, less sexual drive and frustration, no marking around the house, less trying for the position of alpha, ETC. It makes life happier for both man and spouse.
which is much more attrative:

LOL

[Maja]

couldnt really resist...sorry.......
really mean what i say, leave them alone let them have their lives " if you truly love them" for what they are. "wild animals" that you have a relationship for a short while.

[wolfsoul]

But dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years. They are no longer wild animals...Most dogs could never survive in the wild. If people own dogs, those dogs are not wild whether they say they are or not. Just my opinion -- I know that none of my dogs could have gotten on without me -- they would have perished in the wild. Not to mention most of my pets have had surgeries of some sort that I would never have done without because I should love them the way they are. I think it's better to love them living than dead, healthy than sick, etc. Better to be safe than sorry, just my two cents!

I now have the horrifying image of a man marking around the house lmao.

[K9soul]

They are domesticated animals and not wild, so I do not think you can logically take that approach. Wild animals have ways of controlling their own population. Wolf packs only allow the alpha pair to mate. Dogs do not have the instincts of wolves because they have been domesticated, and if given the chance will breed themselves to death. Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children, whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

I know the pet overpopulation problem is probably not near as bad in Sweden as it is here, but accidental litters in the U.S. most likely have a tragic and dismal fate awaiting them.

That said, if there were factual information that leaving dogs unaltered gave them a healthier and longer lifespan, I wouldn't alter them and would put up with whatever inconvenience was involved (i.e. keeping them separated during a heat and only taken out on a leash). But that is not the case, the evidence is to the contrary.

[Maja]

Arent you digressing a bit?
you have also been domesticated or?
you could never survive in the wild or?
so why would you castrate yourself or?
"Better to be whole than yuck"

[wolfsoul]

[K9soul]

Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children, whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

That answers your post and I don't see how I was digressing in the least.

This is getting ridiculous though, it appears to me you are just looking for argument. If you aren't and really have these beliefs, I'd just suggest you do some research on this issue. It seems pretty pointless for me to continue responding at this point.

[Maja]

hey are domesticated animals and not wild, so I do not think you can logically take that approach. Wild animals have ways of controlling their own population. Wolf packs only allow the alpha pair to mate. Humans do not have the instincts of wolves because they have been domesticated, and if given the chance will breed themselves to death. "Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children", whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

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[Maja]

well lets talk about LA

Humans have the power of reasoning and can take into account the benefits or consequences of having children, whereas dogs will simply breed without pause indiscriminantly if given the chance to "live as a wild animals."

what kinda kids live there?

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Maja
well lets talk about LA

what kinda kids live there?

What kind of kids live in LA? As far as I know, children aren't getting pregnant on purpose, let alone for the preservation of the species.

[magpiecorners]

What the heck is going on here? I asked a simple question, so I thought and appreciated all the feedback. I happen to agree with Wolfsoul, animals should be spayed or neutered unless you plan on showing the animal. My puppy would make beautiful puppies, but where I live, there are so many animals that get put down as they are in abundance. I cannot see my Sadie having puppies only to be put down.

Now, this conversation seems to be going to humans. Sorry to say, but where does this fit in with my puppy? Maja you seem to be very argumentive and again I have to agree with wolfsoul, where are you going with this conversation? Personally I cannot understand how we went from my puppy in heat to humans in heat...Well I've said my part, you need to chill Maja for abit and really consider where your conversation or what your conversation is really about....dogs or humans?

[bckrazy]

Magpie, you're totally correct. . Maja seems to enjoy contradicting whatever people are saying and refering to dogs as, basically, wild wolves

Why spay/neuter, Maja? (1) no suffering or pain is incurred, 99% of the time. my dog was trying to run around and play the second he came home from the vets, he never bled or complained or even paid attention to it. (2) my neutered dog (and other neutered/spayed animals) doesn't pace the fence, try to escape, bark and act like a territorial dork, hump other dogs, hump people, nor is he very very frustrated anymore since he was neutered. (3) when unaltered dogs escape from their owners, which happens all the time, they can procreate within minutes. You say we're lazy, but most of the time escaping dogs cant be prevented (intact dogs especially driven to escape when their hormones are raging). unaltered male dogs can and WILL find stray/wandering/backyard females in heat and breed with them. therefore producing more puppies that die unnecessary deaths. If neutering my dog and putting him and me through that very minor hassle will prevent his offspring (which COULD HAVE been hundreds of pups in his lifetime) from being euthanized needlessly, which has become horribly common in the U.S. without strict screening, then its worth it!!

I also wanted to add some statistics in here for Maja! We just got back from an adoption event. . there were dozens of mixed puppies there waiting for a home (the volunteers also explained that all of the puppies could only go to experienced homes because they were born from uncared for stray/backyard dogs and had zero socialization before being dumped at the shelter)! 70,000 puppies and kittens are born daily in the U.S. . the ratio of pups/kittens to people born is 7 to 1. 10 million dogs and cats are euthanized every year in the 40,000 shelters in America. About 75% of abandoned pets in shelters are euthanzied. This could all be prevented with the simple procedure of spaying/neutering.

[jackie]

Magpie, you're totally correct. . Maja seems to enjoy contradicting whatever people are saying and refering to dogs as, basically, wild wolves

hahahahaha. Thats right on the mark. I didn't really get the whole LA metaphor.