So Angry

[carrie]

Jackie,
I think of you as my friend and I know you would not be this angry if the internet was used to advertise puppies and find them responsible homes.
I am well aware that you are "switched on" to genuine and not so genuine people.
You have a heart of gold and will see the good in everybody before you think of something negative.
For you to be this outraged by this person makes it obvious to me that they were exploiting their bitch in the worst way. The poor animal! If the bitch had problems with one litter it is 95% certain that the next will be full of problems too. For a kind and caring owner, worried about her pet's health, to suddenly change her mind.......well, it rings alarm bells with me too.
The internet is a legitimate way to advertise puppies if used properly - for this person to abuse the privelige of dog ownership and internet access in such a blatant manner leaves me cold!
Do me a favour and give me the address of the board - I only want one chance to express my opinion on this one and will not be upset when thrown off!

[tatsxxx11]

Well said Carrie! I don't mean to cop out on commenting. But frankly, I couldn't say it any better than Carrie. She hit each and every point perfectly. Especially the part about Jackie having a heart of gold!! And Jackie, just give me the nod and I'll go give those wicked Schnauzer board people a pop in the nose!! All I can is....THEIR LOSS!!!!! Bless the Schnauzer Mommy and precious pupsters.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

I do appreciate all your comments, Carrie I feel so helpless I want to help the little Momma and there is absolutely nothing I can do.
Unfortunately the ass't manager on the board is a friend of hers and also in backyard breeding and naturally agrees with her. Since there is no manager, no one to take control. They make me sick. Two people complained about us being kicked off and the ass't manager said we were vicious people and so she got rid of us. Now Don calls me vicious. LOL I guess I got a wake up call, the people on the Schnauzer board have always bragged and loved their dogs so much to read this post about this lady and the little Momma Schnauzer just got to me. I guess maybe I thought Schnauzers were not subjected to this kind of treatment, boy was I wrong. Now I know it can happen to any dog.
Dixie has looked at the post and was disgusted. it won't do any good now, she has deleted some of the posts that she didn't want people to read. As Dixie said to me "Let sleeping dogs lie" that's what I'm going to do, Hopefully the other ass't manager that is so nice will probably start a new Schnauzer community, I'm so busy with my community or I would do it myself. LOL
Sandra I do believe you would give them a pop and you are just the person who could do it. LOL
Thank you all for your kindness, I appreciate it, now if I could only get that little Momma out of my mind I would be o.k.
Jackie

[carrie]

Do you mean the board has shut down? - I think not!

I have the most massive and huge respect for Candy ( Dixieland Dancer) and take most of her advice to heart and on board as part of how I think about the training of dogs.......but......

I have to disagree on this one.

It does not matter who the manager or deputies are, it does not matter that they will delete messages - some people will read them before that happens. More importantly the person in question will see that people that are serious about the welfare of so called "beloved pets" take notice when one is blatantly abused for cash. If enough people put their point of view in a sensible and coherent manner the managers of the board may get the message too.
It is too easy to say that friends stick together, put enough down to Earth, sensible and well founded complaints in front of them and they will quickly see that throwing people off the board when they have genuine concerns is totally against the point of having a board.

Paul and Karen let us....well, me mostly,.....rant and rave as much as we want to as long as it isn't insulting or nasty. This board has proved how valuable every single person is and how valid their opinion is. The only posts that are ever deleted here are those, very few, that are beyond the pale. Everyone has the right to an opinion and furthermore to defend that opinion.

This bitch has no hope if the owner carries out her stated plan - if nothing else a few posts, in the same spirit as Pet Talk posts, can do no more harm to her. In the best possible outcome they may sway people to NOT buy the pups, not go to such a predjudice board, not use the internet as the main way of finding a pup and the managers to run things like they know what they are doing, not for the benefit of their friends!

[lizbud]

Jackie,

"If I could just get that little Momma Schnauzer out
of my mind ". Yes, that's the cruelest part for you, to
know and love this Breed as you do and see someone
so misuse what should be a loved member of the family,
must be heartbreaking for you...
If money is the only thing this women thinks of, then
maybe you could buy her. The Momma could be spayed
and fostered by Real Schnauzer lovers & find a better
place to live.
I'm sorry you had to run into such hateful & uncareing
people. Liz.

[Logan]

I'm assuming that the original thread has been deleted, Jackie. Am I right? I have gone there for two straight days (although I am not a member), and really gained much respect for some of the members who chose to speak up in support of you and Gina (Dogmom on jackie's site), most especially Don, Carl and Buff.

I'm not sure that reacting at this point, Carrie, would matter since the post in question is not there. But just in case, here's the link, so you can see for yourself.

http://communities.msn.com/ASchnauzerCommunity

As I told Jackie last night in her chatroom, they had better not be messing with our Jackie!! We know her heart is one of Gold, even if she isn't a Golden owner!! We'll fight to the death!! But Jackie, I don't blame you for not wanting to return anyway. You have such a special group at your site. I'm just hoping that it will stay that way.

Logan

[aly]

Hey Jackie, I was just reading through some posts on the Schnauzer board. I was going to join and make a few replies stating my opinion but the server was too busy.

I wouldn't sweat the loss. Your community and Pet Talk will keep you busy enough! That woman (backyard breeder) seems to have a few screws loose and can't get her story straight. I was going to politely ask her why in tarnation she is going to put her dog through MORE pregnancies.

[RachelJ]

Jackie, I wasn't going to post because others have already said what I feel, but I guess I just wanted you to know that.

Sometimes taking a stand for what we feel is important has consequences that may not be fair or right, but it speaks to who we are and what we believe. It is a little shining beacon for others to see and think about. In the process of speaking your mind and even getting kicked off, you have lifted up the principles of caring for animals for others to see. Some people need just to be educated. Others need a wake up call. Others need to see all sides of an issue to help them evaluate.

[Logan]

Rachel....you are so "right on" with your message this morning.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Thank you all, I felt so strongly about that issue, I think you all made me a true believer in dogs rights. I can't do much but I can sure protest. LOL
Anna is a good friend from Sweden, Logan and I knew her from another board and Logan and I left because they were treating her badly, I can't believe how some of these people run their communities.Guess I'm becoming a rebel in my old age. LOL Where is the mutual respect. They profess to be dog lovers and yet they condone that type of breeding.
I don't think any posting on that community would do any good at all now. I will concentrate on mine, it has grown to over 100 and I have all I can do to keep up with it. LOL Carl the other asst manager of the Schnauzer community comes into "Love of Dogs"
he is a really nice man and loves his dogs so much.
Liz if I thought the problem would be solved I would buy that dog in a heartbeat, but she is on the East Coast and I am in California I think she has taken a stand now, and no matter what anyone said she would disagree.
Thank you all for your kind thoughts I really appreciate that you feel I did the right thing. I will never be sorry I got kicked off for standing up for what I think is right.
Jackie

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Amen Spencer. You are so right, many, many people look and do not post and I agree with you if we can make a difference in how one pet is taken care of, one pet is held and loved, and one pet saved from going to the shelter then it is all worth every word we type.
Jackie