Scooter- pregnant!

[leslie flenner]

someone knows of a website age appropriate to send her regarding the problem? QSL- "Homeless" video- would that be appropriate here? but I was thinking more along the lines of the stats...
FYI- future reference to queenchyna and anyone who may not know- males can safely be nuetered at 8 weeks- for males it's a procedure, not surgery. And, hopefully, all this
momma's kittens will be spayed and nuetered or go to homes with "promises" of same!
moosmom- always our gal! I was waiting for someone like you to come along- after bunnyfufu (yes, that's how she spelled it)....
Queenchyna- these are just words of wisdom from women (including me) with lifetimes of heartbreaks from seeing and hearing about hundreds, if not thousands of emaciated mothers and toms and emaciated and sickly kittens die, euthanized, and abused (thrown out of building windows, etc, you name it because there are just TOO many unwanted pets). Just listen and learn and know that they care about your mother cat and hope all goes well with her delivery! And that you make the right decision afterwards.
Does anyone have that story called "The Wonder of Death" (about a father who takes his daughter to a shelter- it's to be a take on the wonder of birth and explain how people don't consider the outcome of a litter of kittens or puppies when they want their kids to witness "the wonder of birth".)

[sirrahbed]

QueenChyna - I know you are young and some of the responses here may seem harsh but like it has been said before - they come from women who have spent many years working in the area of rescue/animal welfare and have seen so many horrors each and every day. There is a little video to watch - it is called HOMELESS and the link I just entered at the title and it has lots of statistics about animals that you probably are not aware of - but that people who work with the animals know all too well. Would you watch it please? (Leslie - I think this is the video you mentioned)

You sound like a caring young lady but I will bet you have no idea about these things that go on - but they can be prevented by having your pets spayed and neutered.

Someone like yourself who loves animals can learn a great deal and then go on to make things better for animals by doing the best for your own pets and then teaching other people the same thing. I also wish the best for Scooter - and hope you stay to tell us more about her, and about her new babies. I also hope you will then have her spayed - and make sure that whoever takes her kittens understands how important it is to spay or neuter them as well.

[leslie flenner]

That's a good video but I just don't want anyone to get the impression that all strays are found and given homes! most are not. I can't remember how many carcasses we have stepped over in our attempts to rescue nearly alive litters.. previous litters and adults that never made it in basements, garages, abandoned shacks, houses, sheds, under the same, ... on and on. And the colonies of strays that we can't get to in urban areas anymore- remember when we were getting litters out of Roxbury and Dorchester in Feb? Well, we haven't been able to get back and any litters born since then are too old to socialize, and flea infested and mothers are pregnant again and i don't want to think about it- there is just no where to put them cuz too many strays up here on North Shore...
Thanks again Deb- QC- it's a very nice video- pretty and all, I do hope you watch it and spread the word to your friends and become "one of us rescue workers" when you are out and on your own someday!!

[QueenScoopalot]

Leslie & Deb..Wonderfully said! Thank you both for putting up important educational links! Prayers for Scooter having a healthy litter, and resposnsible homes!

[sirrahbed]

The statistic that bowled me over was that each year 11,000,000 dogs and cats are killed (euthanized - sound so kind doesn't it, and I suppose it beats death on the streets) because there are not enough homes. That is 11 with 6 zeros! All unwanted and unloved animals - born because somebody did not spay or neuter and never enough homes to go around. So sad. That does not count the ferals that are never caught, the ones that end up as carcasses you step over and the ones picked clean by scavengers and never found

[smokey the elder]

To get your arms around 11 million: think of New York City. 11 million people live in New York City. That many animals are being killed every year. PLEASE get your animals sterilized!

[QueenScoopalot]

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=83631

Pets pay ultimate price for irresponsible owners
"...people drive up with boxfuls of kittens because they wanted their children
to witness the miracle of birth Funny how no one ever wants their children to
witness the miracle of euthanasia. That is what happens to three cats out of
four to make room for more kittens and cats."

[QueenChyna]

You sound like a caring young lady but I will bet you have no idea about these things that go on

WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? i KNOW EXACTLY WHAT GOES ON, JUST CAUSE YOUR OLDER, AND MAYBE LIVE ON YOUR OWN OR WHATEVER, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOUR KNOW EVERYTHING! All you other ppl think that i am younger so i cant possibly know as much ans you do! WELL YOUR ARE WRONG BEYOND ALL BOUNDERIES! So ya just cause i am younger and have lots of animals, doesn't mean i can't take responsibilities! What, you think I DON'T live in the REAL WORLD???? Do you know who takes care and helps all the sick and sad animals on my farm cause some ppl in my family don't care???? ME, YA ITS ME THAT TAKES CARE OF THEM, I HAVE RESPONSIBILITES ON THE FARM AND I TAKE THEM! Obviously u ppl don't know what its like! if you did, you would know what its like to take on these things, who puts the cream in the pour, baby goats eyes when it can hardly see? ME, who loves it, nourishes it and is the only one that hopes it lives happy, ME!!!

some of the ppl on here could not last 1 week where i live because they wouldn't know what 2 do!

I, like moosmom will not say i am sorry for what i have just said to all of you who have told me i am irresponsible

you ppl are obviously the ones who are irresponsible for asuming that its not getting taken care of.
and my Chyna is the love of my life, and i know i am one of the only ppl she trusts, i was the one that kept her alive out of all 7 of the kittens, i tried my hardest to keep them all alive and loved, and after her mother left her, she had nobody but me! so she is my savior and i am hers!

someone knows of a website age appropriate to send
her regarding the problem?

and i am not some little 10 year old kid, and stop thinking that i have not seen what goes on in the big cities where all the cats, dogs...etc. die and have no home to live, i know what happens, and i think it is cruel to have any more than 4 cats in an appartment or house in the city, because than they cannot show what they really want, they like running around in a big, free, mouse hunting spot, or lazing in the sun.

She is perfectly happy!

[sirrahbed]

Originally posted by QueenChyna
well scooter, u r pregnant and i hope u will have them in the house. scooter is an inside and outside cat. she goes and comes whenever she wants to. so i really hope she has them in the house.

She will keep getting pregnant repeatedly by roaming Tom cats.

Originally posted by QueenChyna
i think she is a year old. now she is pregnant, and she has not had her kittens yet but i hope soon! no not worried about getting Scooter spayed.

not worried about getting her spayed - why not?

Originally posted by QueenChyna
well we might keep some of the kittens, but probably not all of them.
we will probably not get Scooter spayed, the only reason scooter got pegnant this year was because we just got a new male and before he was to young to be neutured but we plan on getting him done right away. otherwise all of our other males are neutured. ....

he was too young to be neutered so who fathered the kittens? You still do not want to have her spayed?

Originally posted by QueenChyna
Scooter was not spayed because we didn't want her spayed. And i am sure Scooter will be a great mother.

still don't want her spayed....more kittens - what happens to each new litter now?
All of the above are quotes of yours that I responded to. I was always very nice and friendly in my posts. My only questions and concerns were about whether or not you intended to spay Scooter and all of your answers seemed to indicate that you saw no need and that you did not want to spay her - only to have kittens. I was surprised that you never mentioned a need for population control - that is all. I did not ever criticise you and if you go back and read my posts to you, you will see that they were always very nice and friendly. You sounded very young and so I tried to ask you your age and speak to you as a young person. If I had thought you were an adult, I would have probably been quite harsh and asked you why you were being irresponsible about NOT spaying your animals - but I did NOT.
We have, in fact, had children as young as age ten post here before and we try to be careful. Your wording and grammar made me think you may be quite young. So, I suggest you read through the posts again and not quote something that I said and then blast away at it as if you are speaking to me - especially since I only posted friendly and helpful things to you!

[Denyce]

Maturity is not a matter of physical age but mental age.

If you truly love Chyna the way you say you do and you are the mature responsible young lady you claim to be you would find a way to make sure that Chyna is spayed after she raises this litter of kittens. If you are older like you are now claiming you are then you are capable of earning the money for her spay. I am sure that there is a veterinarian in your area somewhere. There are many many low cost spay/neuter programs you could contact for help. It is possible but only if you truly care about Chyna's well being and really care about animals and their sad plight in this world.

I understand about taking care of the farm animals when it seems no one else cares. But isn't preventing pregnancies that apparently are in an unhealthy environment also a way of taking care of the animals? In fact it is a better more MATURE AND REPSONSIBLE way of taking care of them. The fact that the other kittens died says to me that this isn't a good place for kittens to be born needlessly.

If you want people to see you as a caring, responsible, mature person then your actions speak even louder than your words. On here the only thing we have to go by is what you tell us and your words or lack of them. This has been talked about before but when I see "internet' shorthand such as "u ur 2 4" what I see is a young and lazy person. When that is coupled with statements such as the above quoted statements it certainly does NOT paint the picture of a caring, hard-working, responsible young lady. It paints the picture of the exact opposite.

You are the only one with the power to make changes in how people in this world perceive you and to truly make the corner of the world you live in a better place for the animals you claim to love. Screaming at us in internet slang just proves the opposite of your "words".

Think hard about that.

Denyce
Denyce

[Cataholic]

QueenChyna,
Your actions speak louder than your words, which is usually the case. Letting an unaltered kitty run around and become impregnated is irresponsible. No matter how you slice it. No matter how old/young/caring you are.

It isn't your fault you are young. It isn't anyone's fault. What is wrong, though, is to ignore those that have experiences that far outweigh your own. All of us at one point, were young and uneducated. Me included.

I, for one, don't commend or applaud you for taking care of your pets. That is the job you are supposed to do. Like stay in school, behave, be nice, etc. You don't get rewarded for doing that which you are supposed to be doing.

If you haven't been out trapping, rescuing, contributing to the homeless shelters, educating, managing your own herd, etc., in my opinion, you have no real voice. That you are actually contributing to the problem is shameful.

Johanna

[DogLover9501]

Originally posted by Cataholic
QueenChyna,
Your actions speak louder than your words, which is usually the case. Letting an unaltered kitty run around and become impregnated is irresponsible. No matter how you slice it. No matter how old/young/caring you are.

It isn't your fault you are young. It isn't anyone's fault. What is wrong, though, is to ignore those that have experiences that far outweigh your own. All of us at one point, were young and uneducated. Me included.

I, for one, don't commend or applaud you for taking care of your pets. That is the job you are supposed to do. Like stay in school, behave, be nice, etc. You don't get rewarded for doing that which you are supposed to be doing.

If you haven't been out trapping, rescuing, contributing to the homeless shelters, educating, managing your own herd, etc., in my opinion, you have no real voice. That you are actually contributing to the problem is shameful.

Johanna

Ditto, taking care of your own animals is not helping the problem, especially if you don't get them spayed/neutered.

[moosmom]

Do you know who takes care and helps all the sick and sad animals on my farm cause some ppl in my family don't care????

Do you have any idea who takes care of all the sick, unwanted cats and kittens that are dumped out in the middle of nowhere to fend for themselves??? People like ME, Queenscoopalot, Leslie Flenner, CrazyCatLady, Jen Luckenbach, Kimlovescats, Noahsmommy and everyone else on this site involved in rescue. Where does the money come from that finances the vet, food, medical bills??? Out of our OWN pockets.

Obviously u ppl don't know what its like! if you did, you would know what its like to take on these things, who puts the cream in the pour, baby goats eyes when it can hardly see?

We DON'T know what it's like to medicate poor baby goats eyes??? No, maybe not. But we DO know what it's like to get up every two hours to feed homeless day old motherless kittens, medicating them and trying to keep them alive, not to mention, find foster homes for expectant mothers like yours, whose irresponsible owners failed to do the right thing by getting them spayed and preventing yet MORE unwanted kittens.

Cataholic Quotes:

If you haven't been out trapping, rescuing, contributing to the homeless shelters, educating, managing your own herd, etc., in my opinion, you have no real voice. That you are actually contributing to the problem is shameful.

Right on, Johanna!!!!

[catnapper]

I have been quiety reading this thread and keeping my opinions to myself, however, now is the time where I will step in and speak up for myself, my fellow cat lovers, and for Chyna.

Ok, point one. Its immediately obvious that you're young. The fact that you screamed at us about how mature you were prooves that fact. Anyone who claims to be wise beyond their years usually has a few years of learning and growing left to do. I am a mother of three teenagers... 14, 16, and 18 years old. I know that they each assume they are more worldy than they are.

People here have tried to inform you out of concern for Chyna and her babies - and her future babies, and her babies' babies. Many people here have worked tirelessly to save farm cats, city cats, and every kind of cat in between from a life "on the streets" It breaks their hearts to see people ignoring the basic physical facts and say "well, thats what they're meant to do."

If you are religious, you might agree that God put us on this earth to watch over the land and life within. We are responsible for the welfare of everything we touch. We are responsible for the life, and quality of life, of our pets. Its about quality of life for the cat, not quantity because they can reproduce. A cat can get so many diseases like cancer when intact, not to mention the disesase spread through sexual contact.

Now lets see about the farm comment... you're right, I have never rubbed lotion on a sightless goat. Have you gone hungry because your monthly food budget went to vet bills and medicine? I have. I made the choice to do without (and eat too many eggs and penut butter & jelly sandwiches) in order to provide for my pets. I took on a responsibilty when I adopted them, and by God, I will fulfill that responsiblity. We could go back and forth forever on the "have you ever" scenarios. our lives won't ever parallel each other, so our experiences won't be similar. But what should be the same for everyone is not their experiences but their actions: nuetering is a responsiblity EVERYONE should do AUOTMATICALLY!

[NoahsMommy]

I find it odd that your male cats are altered, but your female(s) isn't. Why is that?

Are you familiar with the health risks involved in NOT spaying a female cat or dog? Are you aware they can DIE from horrible complications of repeated litters? Female cats are in AGONY while they are in heat, do you know that?

Kittens are fun and all, just be sure you don't have them mating with each other. That's called inbreeding and many, many complications can occur from that. I have TWO of those at my home. While I love them to death, I can't ignore that they are a byproduct of inbreeding. They are both polydactyl and both have eyelid deformities that require lots of $$ to correct.

Pets are wonderful, but you have to give to them what they give to you. They give love; you have to give love not just emotionally, but responsibly.

I know you feel attacked right now. I guess I would too if I were in your shoes. But remove the harshness and emotion (although, I feel its warrented here) from these posts and please urge your family to learn about spaying female animals.