Malvo Sentencing

[trayi52]

I'm suprised, because I confuse myself sometimes, so I can imagine how I make you people feel sometimes, all the time?

Tray

[moosmom]

I agree with Twisterdog...

It's old enough and he knew what he did was wrong.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, I think there are too many people already on death row getting 3 square meals a day, a roof over their heads and a free education, all paid for by the U.S. citizens. Why the heck should they get that kind of treatment after what they did.

I say fry everyone on death row. Think of all the money it'll save the taxpayers.

[cutie_chica]

Originally posted by moosmom
I agree with Twisterdog...

It's old enough and he knew what he did was wrong.

As far as the death penalty is concerned, I think there are too many people already on death row getting 3 square meals a day, a roof over their heads and a free education, all paid for by the U.S. citizens. Why the heck should they get that kind of treatment after what they did.

I say fry everyone on death row. Think of all the money it'll save the taxpayers.

Ditto!

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by moosmom
IAs far as the death penalty is concerned, I think there are too many people already on death row getting 3 square meals a day, a roof over their heads and a free education, all paid for by the U.S. citizens. Why the heck should they get that kind of treatment after what they did.

I say fry everyone on death row. Think of all the money it'll save the taxpayers.

I agree!

[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by moosmom
I say fry everyone on death row. Think of all the money it'll save the taxpayers.

Took the words out of my mouth!!

I also think Rape should be a capital offense.

[Soledad]

It actually costs more to kill someone on death row than it does to keep them in jail for the rest of their life.

[joycenalex]

Originally posted by Soledad
It actually costs more to kill someone on death row than it does to keep them in jail for the rest of their life.

soledad, how did you find that out? is that with the cost of the appeals process? i'm curious.
tim mcveigh isn't costing too much now, but terry nichols is still costing money.

[Soledad]

From Amnesty International:


Death Penalty Facts
COST

The Death Penalty is Expensive.

Capital punishment is a far more expensive system than one whose maximum penalty is life in prison.

A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment.

In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment.

Studies in California, Kansas, Maryland, and North Carolina all have concluded that capital punishment is far more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life.

The greatest costs of the death penalty are incurred prior to and during trial, not in post-conviction proceedings. Even if all post-conviction proceedings were abolished, the death penalty system would still be more expensive than alternative sentences.

Under a death penalty system, trials have two separate phases (conviction and sentencing); they are typically preceded by special motions and extra jury selection questioning.

More investigative costs are generally incurred in capital cases, particularly by the prosecution.

When death penalty trials result in a verdict less than death or are reversed, the taxpayer first incurs all the extra costs of capital pretrial and trial proceedings and must then also pay either for the cost of incarcerating the prisoner for life or the costs of a retrial (which often leads to a life sentence).
The death penalty diverts resources from genuine crime control measures. Spending money on the death penalty system means:

Taking it away from existing components of the criminal justice system, such as prosecutions of drug crimes, domestic violence, and child abuse.

Reducing the resources states put into crime prevention, education and rehabilitation, investigative resources, and drug treatment programs.


"Elimination of the death penalty would result in a net savings to the state of at least several tens of millions of dollars annually, and a net savings to local governments in the millions to tens of millions of dollars on a statewide basis." --Joint Legislative Budget Committee of the California Legislature, Sept. 9, 1999

[micki76]

Originally posted by WolfChan
Took the words out of my mouth!!

I also think Rape should be a capital offense.

Definitely.

[Twisterdog]

It actually costs more to kill someone on death row than it does to keep them in jail for the rest of their life.

Actually, all it costs to kill someone on death row is the cost of the lethal injection ... probably what? $2.00?

Perhaps our legal system needs a serious overhaul if there is so much legal mumbo-jumbo that basic justice becomes cost-prohibitive. Just MHO.

[mugsy]

Originally posted by Soledad
From Amnesty International:


Death Penalty Facts
COST

The Death Penalty is Expensive.

Capital punishment is a far more expensive system than one whose maximum penalty is life in prison.

A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment.

In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment.

Studies in California, Kansas, Maryland, and North Carolina all have concluded that capital punishment is far more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life.

The greatest costs of the death penalty are incurred prior to and during trial, not in post-conviction proceedings. Even if all post-conviction proceedings were abolished, the death penalty system would still be more expensive than alternative sentences.

Under a death penalty system, trials have two separate phases (conviction and sentencing); they are typically preceded by special motions and extra jury selection questioning.

More investigative costs are generally incurred in capital cases, particularly by the prosecution.

When death penalty trials result in a verdict less than death or are reversed, the taxpayer first incurs all the extra costs of capital pretrial and trial proceedings and must then also pay either for the cost of incarcerating the prisoner for life or the costs of a retrial (which often leads to a life sentence).
The death penalty diverts resources from genuine crime control measures. Spending money on the death penalty system means:

Taking it away from existing components of the criminal justice system, such as prosecutions of drug crimes, domestic violence, and child abuse.

Reducing the resources states put into crime prevention, education and rehabilitation, investigative resources, and drug treatment programs.


"Elimination of the death penalty would result in a net savings to the state of at least several tens of millions of dollars annually, and a net savings to local governments in the millions to tens of millions of dollars on a statewide basis." --Joint Legislative Budget Committee of the California Legislature, Sept. 9, 1999

Could we have some hard numbers please??? No proof for me without numbers. And the numbers that are given are not explained...where is the money saved?

I think the kid is 17...he knows better...he gets what he gets.

[Soledad]

Read it carefully. There are hard numbers and explanations in there.

Go here for further elaboration.

If you just do some light internet research, you'll find plenty of info on this.

[mugsy]

Don't get me wrong....I think they should have to spend their life pounding rocks in Alaska with bread and water...oh that's right...that might infringe on their rights....I forgot.

I'm still not convinced that it's more expensive to keep them for life. Then we have to support their cable TV, air conditioning, weight room,....

[Soledad]

Well, pounding on rocks in Alaska may not be infringing on their rights, but killing someone who has been falsely imprisoned could definitely be seen as an erosion of one's rights.

It happens more than we'd like to think.

[trayi52]

My son worked at a prison. They weren't allowed to carry any kind of weapon. They considered that an infringement of the prisoners rights, even when there was a riot and the guards were almost killed. My son was present at one of these, and he said two guards were almost killed, and the only thing that saved their life was locking themselves inside one of the cells, wounded from makeshift knives.

The funny thing, my son spent the whole night marching prisoners to different places and well he said he seen a lot of naked butts, I will say that nicely. It kind of puts fear deep in your soul, when you know your son is working in a place like that, and he is like 5 or 6 hours late and no phone call. Then you hear that a riot has broke out at the very prison he works, and there are two guards down. It is very scary! He don't work there now. I say good..