This will change your life ::moved from Genral::

[popcornbird]

I saw the chicken part, but turned it off, since I could not continue to watch. It was just too heartbreaking.

Our family doesn't eat much meat, usually just once or twice a week, sometimes more when we eat fish. We don't buy meat from the main industry, because of religious reasons, our meat has to come from animals slaughtered in a certain way (similar to kosher), therefore, the meat we buy is from special stores that get it from special farms, and not the main country's meat industry. I despise the way animals are treated in the US before being killed for food. I am NOT against humans eating meat AT ALL, but really, respect them in their life at least! I cannot believe how the meat industry abuses the poor animals their entire lives until they are killed for food. It breaks my heart. Fine, if you're going to eat them, but why torture them while they're alive? Why can't they live normal happy lives until its their time? It makes me sick!

Its not like my not eating meat would make any difference at all to the meat industry, and my not eating meat won't help save a single animal's life. If I won't eat it....someone else will...........so as you see, it makes no difference. I'm glad we don't buy from the main meat industry, and I have seen the animals at the special farms where the stores we buy meat from get their meat from. Although they are not treated as I would wish, its no way comparable to what I saw on that video. That just brought me to tears. I don't eat much meat, but I will not stop eating the meat that I do eat. If I can't make a difference, I see no point. I too, find Peta to be an extremist organization, in MANY MANY issues. I would never support them. Yes the video broke my heart, but again, I don't buy from the main industry, and my not eating meat cannot and will not make a difference, so I see no reason not too. After all, our beloved animals eat animals as well.

Soledad, I totally agree with you that Americans eat too much meat. That's why there's such an obesity problem in our country. Eating meat is fine, but too much is a no no. Bad for your health.

[Kater]

Originally posted by popcornbird
Its not like my not eating meat would make any difference at all to the meat industry, and my not eating meat won't help save a single animal's life. If I won't eat it....someone else will...........so as you see, it makes no difference.

I disagree.
Doing an albeit tiny but good deed -- does that make a difference? Of course! Well, this commitment is far from tiny -- on average a vegetarian saves eighty-three lives per year. Makes no difference? Of course it makes a huge difference to those eighty-three that are never born and never have to live a life abused and used. Surely you've heard of supply and demand.

And if people on this board feel as though vegetarian morals are being "forced upon them" please consider this:

From a moral standpoint, actions that harm others are not matters of personal choice. Murder, child abuse, and cruelty to animals are all immoral. Our society now encourages meat-eating and the cruelty of factory farming, but history teaches that society also once encouraged slavery, child labor, and many other practices now universally recognized as wrong.

http://www.askcarla.com


''We are called to treat them with kindness, not because they have rights or power or some claim to equality but . . . because they stand unequal and powerless before us.'' ~Matthew Scully

This is where I'm coming from.

[Desert Arabian]

I eat meat, I love meat. I am an omnivore animal (human) who chooses to eat meat. I adore animals, but I still have to have my meat, I can't help it- I just love it. It's my choice to eat meat, and it is my choice to not eat meat.

I have NEVER seen a farm like that which were shown in the video...thank the Lord. Every farm I have seen is HUGE and the cows are free roaming, by that I mean they have acres of fields to roam. I was driving through Iowa today and saw tons of cows & cattle (and horses) out in the middle of nowhere... I couldn't see the barn anywhere-their pasture was so big. Some of the cows were grazing and some were sleeping under the trees.

In Wisconsin there are some cow farms with herds over 1,000 head, and they have acres upon acres of grazing pastures for the cows- and milking parlors which had to cost two arms, two legs, two ears, and one nostil- based on the pictures.

The video did make me a bit sad, even though I love meat, it breaks my heart to think there are some unlucky animals who have to live in those conditions.

[IttyBittyKitty]

Originally posted by Kater
If PETA is a group of extremists then I guess I am one too because I believe they do good and important work.

As a woman, I am offended by the way cows and chickens are used (mildly put) for their reproductive capabilities. For those of you that are familiar with the recent thread "Puppy!!!! " ( http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...threadid=32941 ) may I ask you to take a step back and ask yourself why this same attitude does not apply to a cow or chicken? If you had either as a family pet, and formed a close relationship you would see that they hurt, love, fear and have their own life's purpose just as much as your beloved dog, cat, bird or other pet. They are no different.

Just my $0.02.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I happen to agree with this one. These are some of the reasons why I myself chose to become a vegitarian.

[RubyMutt]

am I the only one who's having an extreme case of deja vu???

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...ight=PETA+erks

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...5&pagenumber=1

I think we established months ago that people on here have different beliefs and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. Instead of brining it up again, can we accept it and move on?

[Soledad]

Amen, RubyMutt.

[2kitties]

I think PETA's extremism has alienated them from most animal rights groups and serves to make them less effective in their cause.
I don't agree with PETA's propoganda and typically avoid anything with their name on it.

[kitten645]

I would HOPE there are far greater evils in this world to attack than Peta. While I agree that they are extreme at the very least they are making a point and a good one at that. They get the attention. If it saves one life then that's fine by me. Animal abusers, cock fighters, bull fighters, dog fighters, and those cruel bastards that do things like thow a kittens headless body over the fence of an animal rescue center deserve more of our rancor than the people putting themselves on the line for the rights of animals. Blessed be those that stand up for the lives of those that can't speak for themselves.

[veegan]

well said kitten645. you are exactly right.

[magcpen]

I try not to eat meat. Part of it is I just wasn't raised on and don't want to try it. The only meat I really eat is the teeny-itty-bitty pieces of beef that stick to the broccoli in beef and broccoli from Panda Express, and it's been a long time since I've eaten baloney , although that's partly because Subway doesn't carry it. I also have a vegetarian teacher that really made me want to try harder to eat vegetarian. I like to call meats what they really are to discourage me and other people from eating meat, lol:

beef- cow chunks
chicken- chicken chunks (that one's not so bad)
veal- lamb chunks
pork- pig pieces
ham- pig chunks
etc.

I'd watch the video, but it doesn't work on my computer.

[Aspen and Misty]

Rubymutt & Soledad- I am very sorry if in any way this had made you upset or angry with me. I did move this from the Genral board for that reson (thanks to someone saying I should, I forget who). I did not know that this was posted before and I am sorry for re-posting it. I did however know that some of you do not like PETA and I guess this was a bad decision for me to share this video and will next time keep any information I find out to myself. Again sorry.


Kay and Popcornbird and anyone else who said they couldn't be a vegertarian- I'm not a vegertarian.

I know that some of you don't like PETA and that some of you still eat meat. Heck I dont' like PETA that much AND I eat meat, but that video still brakes my heart.

yellowlablover- It's the same way around here, I only see farms that have large roaming ares for there cattle.

Kater- Very well said! And I totally agree.

I have just one question though...... If this wasn't a PETA video would more of you be upset???

Ash

[Soledad]

No, honey, you didn't upset me. I guess I just didn't want to see this thread go the same way as the others.

I also think it's good for meat eaters to see the reality of farming practices in America, and it IS happening and WE ARE eating it. If you think all the animals you eat are raised in humane environments, grazing in the sunshine you are wrong. This video intends to shock you into that reality.

I just didn't want this to turn into a people who eat meat=bad argument. I think EVERYONE here at PT can agree that inhumane farming practices are wrong and should be stopped.

[allanimalswelcome]

Ok

Well organic meat is healthier for you. Personally I see nothing wrong with being a meat eater.

Don't even try and say "But we don't need the meat" cause let me tell you any omnivour doesn't need meat but no one is screaming at Chimps saying "Stop eating meat!"

But I do believe people should only eat meat that is domesticated (and fish). I don't agree with eating endangered animals like Whales and such.

PETA. Load of garbage if you ask me. They are an extermist group and like somone said in my previous thread "Peta erks me off" "I don't want my money going to make bombs"

~Rachel

[Soledad]

Just curious, I thought you were leaving Pet Talk?

[allanimalswelcome]

Soledad-See my post in General