I have to say something about spaying and nuetering dogs

**Jessica12345** · 07-12-2003, 07:46 PM

I support good breeders.... BUT how do you know there in good homes? I honestly dont think that anyone who can buy a dog from a breeder while knowing that millions of dogs are dyeing in shelters can be a nice person.

UNLESS they know that it is a speicific breed they want to fit their lifestyle, and they have checked shelters to make sure none of them will fit there life style.

**aly** · 07-12-2003, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by RubyMutt
The homes all those cute little puppies go to could've been the homes some dogs in shelters could've went to.

Exactly.

I would love to see one of my dogs have pups, but NEVER will that happen while there are still kill shelters and innocent dogs are losing their lives each second that passes by. (All my dogs are fixed btw)

**Jessica12345** · 07-12-2003, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by cowlovr9797
It's a great experience and if you find loving homes for all of them you'll definitly be glad you did it!

you shouldnt do it for the "experience."

and *IF* you find loving homes for them.......

if being the key word there.

**iceyshiver21** · 07-12-2003, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Jessica12345
you shouldnt do it for the "experience."

and *IF* you find loving homes for them.......

if being the key word there.

Agreed.

**wolfsoul** · 07-12-2003, 11:14 PM

I agree with most everyone.

I agree with breeding responsibly -- responsibly as in : Dogs have certificates for checked eyes, hips, elbows ETC....Dogs are good quality in something (ie. conformation, agility, herding, diving, flyball)....Dogs are vet checked ATLEAST twice a year....Dogs have the right amount of exersise, food, etc needed for the breed....Breeder specializes in one breed only....The dogs are given out to screened homes that the breeder has visited and confirmed are safe and happy environments....Dogs and puppies have pedigrees, papers, and are registered....Breeders do it ONLY for the love and improvement of the breed....Breeders educate others on the breed, and give helpful hints as to why buying from a good breeder is better than a backyard breeder....Breeder does not care for profit....Parents and other pet/breeder dogs are shown at the time of buying the puppy....Puppies are sold somewhat expensively to give owners a chance to realize how expensive the pup will be in the long run....Breeders check the liability of owners with references, and possibly even know the amount of money going into their homes per year....

Much MUCH more

A good breeder never does something for experience. A backyard breeder does. A good breeder never breeds just because they want to know what it's like, or they want to see what their dogs' pups will look like. Backyard breeders do those things. I don't agree with backyard breeding. Anyone may do what they like, but personally I believe it should be illegal to breed without a licence.

It's more at times like these that I wish there was a program on the computer that would tell you exactly what your dog's puppies would like like when paired with another dog

**GoldenRetrLuver** · 07-13-2003, 01:25 AM

Agreed wolfsoul.

**iceyshiver21** · 07-13-2003, 05:44 PM

Breeding Rule Number 3,343,678,645,385,491,648

Chances are if you if you make money from breeding dogs- your prolly not doing it right. (Very few Exeptions)

**cowlovr9797** · 07-14-2003, 12:28 PM

It's more at times like these that I wish there was a program on the computer that would tell you exactly what your dog's puppies would like like when paired with another dog
that would be a great idea actully i also agree with whoever said if you make money from breeding your doing it wrong. But the reason i don't belive it should be illegeal do breed without a liscense is because all of the liescence breeders charge sooo much escpically for the breed i have. That's why we started breeding and belive me we are more in debt then if we've mad any thing

**cowlovr9797** · 07-14-2003, 12:32 PM

i forgot to add one thing we didn't do it for the expereince we did it because so many people we know love our dogs and have allergys to most dogs but all the breeders for our kind of dog charged too much so we were going to make an exception

**GoldenRetrLuver** · 07-14-2003, 12:58 PM

So, you breed because people like your dog....

. Yes, some responsible breeders charge a load for one of their pups, but in return you should get a healthy dog, with an excellent background.

**primabella** · 07-14-2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
So, you breed because people liked your dog.... . Yes, some responsile breeders charge a load for one of their pups, but in return you should get a healthy dog, with an excellent background.

Totall agree. Mickey was 500$ but worth every penny and more. He's healthy, has an amazing temperment and is just a great dog.

**iceyshiver21** · 07-14-2003, 02:14 PM

I'm sure there are many bichon Frise rescues that they can get dogs from without having to pay $500+ for.

**wolfsoul** · 07-14-2003, 02:53 PM

An expensive pup is a good thing. It shows someone that if you can't afford the pup now, then you never will. This is how expensive it is when you get it, think about how expensive it will be tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day...

**Tonya** · 07-14-2003, 03:38 PM

Ideally, there would be NO dogs in shelters and all dog pregnancies would be planned. But of course, it isn't a perfect world. I try to get strays, but I understand what you are saying. My childhood dog Christy was such a perfect dog. She was spayed when we got her, but I would give a million bucks to have a pup of hers. She was the most gorgeous and perfect dog in the world. Papers or not, she would have had awesome offspring and it would have been such a great experience. I am starting to feel that way about Roxy too. She's spayed, and I have had her since Feb. She is turning out to be such an amazing and special dog that it almost seems like a crime that she won't have offspring. But everytime I visit the pound, my temptation goes away on breeding.

I think that there are alot of pluses about RESPONSIBLE breeding. I think we should be trying to keep bloodlines clean. But one thing that irks the hell out of me about AKC is how close the bloodlines are though. It disgusts me how alot of the dogs share grandparents and whatnot. They are often way to closely related! I guess to others that is normal, but it doesn't seem right to me.

**CamCamPup33** · 07-14-2003, 04:41 PM

here,
i was reading this and this made me support it more than i ever did.
http://members.tripod.com/ndrc/tonuter.htm
maybe this is off the subject but its still useful
-You said that you will be able to find loving good homes for the pups

In your own fantasy world, maybe. In reality, finding good homes for puppies is extremely difficult, especially for those of mixed origin. Giving them to anyone who comes to your door and is willing to take them or hand over cash does not constitute a truly good home. In fact, only 1 in 5 "free to good home" pets actually make it into a good home. That means, statistically, that in a litter of 5 puppies only 1 may actually end up in a good home. What happens when one of the new owners of one of those puppies call you six months later to say that they no longer want the dog? Would you be willing to take him or her back? These are all things that need to be considered. Every single puppy that you help bring into this world is your responsibility until it leaves this world. Also keep in mind that each good home you find for one of your puppies could mean one less good home for those in shelters looking for homes. In less than a year's time, your dog's puppies will be old enough to have their own puppies unless you require that they be spayed/neutered. This means even fewer homes for those in shelters, and the greater potential spread of genetic disease in your breed. Therefore, you may be able to find a great home for a few but, maybe some people have allergies to dogs and never knew it till you gave them that dog.. They would end up either giving it back, OR putting it in a shelter..