rain forest

[Cookiebaker]

Originally posted by YellowLabLover
You know what... I think if you want to drive you have to make your own car out of bamboo and coconuts- like on Gilligan's Island.

A rather funny picture comes to mind!

[mugsy]

I think that canabalism ( hey I never said I could spell) that is the incorrect term here. That's when you eat the flesh of your own species.

Now, as far as poaching is concerned, there is a HUGE difference between killing an animal for only its horn that killing an animal to eat it. Look at the Native Americans that lived on the plains. They deeply respected the buffalo as the giver of their life and actually apologized to the animal for killing it, however, they used all parts of the buffalo....hides for making clothes and their homes, meat for eating (and that includes organ meats also), bone for making weapons and other things....in other words, they used every part of the animal. I am disgusted by how commercial farms treat the animals and how they kill them, but, at least most parts are used, which is a totally different ball game then killing the animal, cutting off its horn and then leaving the rest to rot...the only thing that's good for is the almighty dollar.

I respect vegans and vegetarians and don't bug them about their choice, but I certainly don't want to be looked down upon for making the choice to eat meat. Keep in mind that humans were built to be OMNIVORES, not herbivores or carnivores.

[COCatMama]

mugsy i agree with you, but, the animal is still being killed and for me, that is wrong.
back in the old days things were alot different eh? I approve of farms with free-range animals that do not know pain and fear until the last second, rather than some horrible factory scenario.

[Kater]

With all due respect....I think there is no solid evidence suggesting humans are meant to be omnivores. What about the fact that humans can survive & thrive on a vegan diet? I think that makes eating meat and animal products wrong. But then again this is coming from a vegan. But please understand I don't mean to upset anyone or disrespect their life chocies.

[COCatMama]

that's cool I respect your self-discipline

[COCatMama]

yellowlab person the people that *use* guns do not generally *make* them!

[Desert Arabian]

and the people who *drive* the cars to the store don't generally *make* them, and the people who *shop at the store* don't generally *make* the store, and the people who *put food in the refrigerator* don't generally *make* the refrigerator..... see where I'm going with this? If you think people should hand-make what they need to use to get the food of their choice, then you better get going on that bamboo and coconut car so you can get to the store and buy some vegetables......or do you have a big old garden out back where you get your dinner?

[COCatMama]

imo you are blowing this waaayyyyyyy out of proportion. I said what i did because i believe hunting with a handmade bow is more equal than hunting with a high powered gadget with a scope and you can be half a km from the animal....bow hunting takes some skill.
that is all....i am in no state of mind tonight to get into some kind of flame war here...i was only trying to help the person who originally created this thread, not piss people off, okay?

[Soledad]

I think it's great that the person starting this thread wants to be a vegetarian, but they are obviously very young and haven't thought things through entirely. By all means, go veg. I've done it for a couple of years, and made the decision to stop. But realise that there are many reasons the rainforests are being cut down. Reasons like development, corporate pressure, poverty, timber demand, grazing land, etc. I know you're probably quite young, and that this is a bit of an ask, but try to get a more whollistic approach to something instead of getting so militant about it you don't even research the details. Also, a vegetarian wearing leather shoes is one of the most ridiculous sights ever.

[Desert Arabian]

I approve of farms with free-range animals that do not know pain and fear until the last second,

I thought you didn't approve of animal deaths at all -
an animal in the woods doesn't know pain and fear until the last second either, if the hunter is very skilled (like me) -

I think that if you hunt animals you should have to fashion your own weapon like a bow, that way you actually have to stalk the animal and he/she can easily escape.

Right, and I think that if you eat vegetables you should have to fashion your own vegetable patch, that way you actually have to stalk the vegetables and they could easily die before harvest.

hunting with a handmade bow is more equal than hunting with a high powered gadget with a scope and you can be half a km from the animal

You obviously know as much about rifle hunting as I do about vegetarianism - to successfully shoot an animal from a half a km away would take some amazing skills.

I do not hassle my friends for eating meat

but I hassle people I don't know for hunting and eating meat.
At least I haven't told anyone on here not to eat vegetables or be a vege-whatever. I guess carnivores are a little more tolerant - don't throw flames and you won't get them back.....

[Desert Arabian]

Also, a vegetarian wearing leather shoes is one of the most ridiculous sights ever.

I was going to bring that one up, but I didn't want to ruffle the "vegetables" feathers........

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Soledad
Also, a vegetarian wearing leather shoes is one of the most ridiculous sights ever.

OMG! LOL! That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO true! And why to vegetarians go around carrying leather purses and wallets, and drive cars with leather seats, and have leather sofa's in their homes? Ridiculous! Why do vegetarians wear pearl jewelery? They come from animals too. God created us humans as omnivors and saying that there is nothing to prove that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Go look at the billions of people out their in the entire world. Almost all of them eat meat AND veggies. That's proof right there. An animal that eats only meat (lion) ONLY eats meat. An animal that eats only veggies (bunnies) ONLY eats veggies. AND AN ANIMAL THAT EATS BOTH MEAT AND VEGGIES (MOST of the humans around the world) are called omnivorous, and THAT'S what we humans are. Any proof that humans are not omnivors? Again, none of you answered my question.................Why do you feed your dogs and cats meat? If they have the right to eat meat, so do we. Killing animals for food is not cruelty. We are just doing our job as part of the food chain. Animals eat us too. Animals eat animals too. There is nothing wrong with it. As for the term cannibalism, I think vagetarians "eating" people who eat meat because they eat meat, is a form of cannibalism (not physically). Again, I have full respects for anyone who chooses to be a vegetarian, but we, the majority of mankind, that eat meat, DESERVE the same respect. If God didn't forbid us from eating meat, who is anyone else to do so? There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat, whether anyone likes that fact or not.

[Uabassoon]

I've been a vegetarian for a few years now. And it's not because I think it's wrong to eat animals, I just think the way the commercial systems runs is wrong. I don't agree with the treatment of the animals. At my house I only buy free range and organic dairy and eggs because while I agree it doesn't hurt a cow to milk it, large dairies do abuse their cows. So I prefer to buy from smaller companies. I grew up as a farm kid, we had our vegetable garden would eat chickens and lambs and goats that came from our farm. And I don't see a problem with it because the animals are treated well, they are given a good life. But I think it's natural to eat meat, it's just something that I choose not to do for my own reasons.

[Desert Arabian]

All I have to say (to popcornbird) is AMEN AMEN!!

[Soledad]

I agree with Uabasson. My main concern is the humane treatment and slaughtering of animals. There's no way everyone in the world will become a vegetarian, so the most effective fight is the one against huge corporate farms that mistreat their animals.