What is in the HCR Bill.

[blue]

Again, funny, I didn't know you were a moderator. Last time I checked, those positions were spoken for.


You used the quote, you thought it appropriate, YOU made it part of the thread. Not I.

So you are arm chair moderating to prove a point?

FWIW Obama thought it was worth mentioning that USPS was having problems, email him. I only quoted him.

If you are in such a snit about the USPS being dissed by the POTUS start your own thread. I quoted Obama in reference to the HCR bill, not a USPS Vs Fed Ex/UPS bill. Why is this such a big deal to you?

Why arent you rallying for medicaid/care? I also thought it appropriate to quote the POTUS on that too, why arent you focusing on that aspect?

If I were a tinfoil hat wearer, Ild be wondering what is in HR 3200 that you
are trying to draw attention away from.

ETA: In hind sight, please dont answer any of my questions as it would only further highjack this thread. I have no idea why your undies are in a bunch over the POTUS comment about the USPS, but if you could keep your comments contained to the topic at hand I would greatly appreciate it. If you have any question of the actual topic, its HCR and HR 3200.

[Lady's Human]

In reference to the above.........




Of course, when confronted with facts, run away, just as you accuse others of doing.

Pot.....the kettle is calling.

[lizbud]

There is no monolithic proposal.

Nothing has been brought to the House floor for vote, and the proposals haven't even cleared the committees completely. The House and Senate haven't passed any legislation, and if they do, the bills go to conference committee for reconciliation. Until that happens, there is no monolithic "Health Care Reform" bill.

Thanks LH. You explained it well. Actually you explained the USPS
system vs Fed Ex ,UPS systems too.

[Catty1]

Another quote from the POTUS on HCR:

http://www.canadaeast.com/front/article/756004

(excerpt from article)

On a separate issue, Obama cracked a joke in Canada's direction.

He warned that Canada would continue to serve as a whipping boy in the highly charged U.S. debate over the future of health care, which has seen town hall meetings erupt into scuffles this summer.

Warnings about the danger of adopting "Canadian-style socialized medicine" are a ubiquitous refrain among critics of Obama's intended reforms.

"I suspect that you Canadians will continue to get dragged in by those who oppose reform - even though I've said nothing about Canadian health-care reform," Obama said.

"I don't find Canadians particularly scary, but I guess some of the opponents of reform think they make a good bogeyman."

Obama wants to extend health coverage to all Americans and allow for greater public-sector involvement alongside the current network of privately run insurance companies.

He said Americans are spending too much money on health care, with results that are too poor, and that too many families are being bankrupted by health bills because they don't have coverage.

But he quickly added that Canada's model - the single-payer public system - bears little relationship to the system he wants to create.

Obama repeated his frequent refrain that the U.S. health system evolved as a privately run entity over the decades, and there's no reason to move it in a radically different direction now.

But his legion of conservative critics argue that Obama's plan will ultimately kill the private insurance industry, increase government spending, and result in higher taxes. Just like Canada.

Harper steered clear of the debate.

When asked whether there were any elements of the Canadian system worth emulating, he merely replied: "Canadians support their own health-care system. As for the rest of this question my only answer is that this is an American debate, and the responsibility of the provinces."

Harper's obvious reluctance to sing the praises of Canada's medicare system stood in stark contrast to NDP Leader Jack Layton, who spent two days in Washington last June talking up Canadian health care with White House officials and members of Congress.

[blue]

In reference to the above.........




Of course, when confronted with facts, run away, just as you accuse others of doing.

Pot.....the kettle is calling.

Hi Pot, this is Kettle, your black, go lay down. All you want to do in this thread is USPS USPS USPS. You havent given any facts!

You seem to have a problem that the POTUS dissed the USPS and that I quoted him on it, why? Yes I was mistaken when I posted that USPS is federaly funded, but at the same time FE and UPS cannot directly compete with USPS. You also pointed out all the problems the USPS has via federal laws. Ill ask you again do we want that type of bureaucracy in charge of our Health Care? THis time I await your answer, after all this thread is about health care reform not YOU and the USPS USPS USPS.

HR 3200, direct link to the Library of Congress for Bills and Resolutions, http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.3200:

What do you have that shows that HR 3200 is not being considerred by the Congressional Branch? Again I await your answer.

Thanks LH. You explained it well. Actually you explained the USPS
system vs Fed Ex ,UPS systems too.

Where did he do that? UPS and Fed Ex cannot by Federal law directly compete with USPS.

[Lady's Human]

Actually, I did give facts directly related to ANY congressional legislation.

Again, in case you missed it, nothing has passed through the committees and been brought to the house floor for a vote.

Nothing.

Nada.

Zip.

Zero.

There are hundreds of bills pending before congress, most of which no one will ever hear of. Why? They have been submitted as bills, and have numbers, but the status is "in committee"

After that rather lengthy process, despite what Speaker Pelosi would liek to have happen, the bill is brought to the full house for a vote.

Guess what? It still isn't law yet.

The Senate gets it's chance, and amendments are offered, changes made, and debated..........and it can be fillibustered and killed on the senate floor, in which case it goes back to square one.

After the House and Senate have voted on bills, the bills got to a joint Senate House committee for reconciliation, as no bill of this type is ever identical in both houses.

Then......it goes back to the House and Senate to be voted on in its complete form.

IF it ever gets out of the Senate I might be concerned, but I don't see that happening, as both chambers have other rather more pressing bills on their plates, such as the budget.

The status of the bill, as reported on Thomas, is ordered to be amended......

It's a long way from being law.

[blue]

Actually, I did give facts directly related to ANY congressional legislation.

Again, in case you missed it, nothing has passed through the committees and been brought to the house floor for a vote.

Nothing.

Nada.

Zip.

Zero.

There are hundreds of bills pending before congress, most of which no one will ever hear of. Why? They have been submitted as bills, and have numbers, but the status is "in committee"

After that rather lengthy process, despite what Speaker Pelosi would liek to have happen, the bill is brought to the full house for a vote.

Guess what? It still isn't law yet.

The Senate gets it's chance, and amendments are offered, changes made, and debated..........and it can be fillibustered and killed on the senate floor, in which case it goes back to square one.

After the House and Senate have voted on bills, the bills got to a joint Senate House committee for reconciliation, as no bill of this type is ever identical in both houses.

Then......it goes back to the House and Senate to be voted on in its complete form.

IF it ever gets out of the Senate I might be concerned, but I don't see that happening, as both chambers have other rather more pressing bills on their plates, such as the budget.

The status of the bill, as reported on Thomas, is ordered to be amended......

It's a long way from being law.

Great googly moogly! You havent provided any facts.

Nothing.

Nada.

Zip.

Zero.


Obama wanted this voted on this month, I wouldnt call that a long way from becoming law. How long did it take for the Patriot Act to become law?



You only care if HR 3200 comes up for a vote?!! You dont care what is in it during the debates or what is talked about on the floor, or in THMs? You dont care that the POTUS is pushing this for a vote? You only care if it might be voted on?

I havent missed anything, and guess what? I dont want HR 3200 anywhere near getting into law.

You may not care about whats in it but I do.

I dont want it to get to get voted on!!! I dont want it even to come close to being voted on! I care whats in it! I dont have health insurance but Ill bet you do. In the future I want to be able chose my HI, not have it dictated by .GOV to me or my employer.

You may be willing to take that chance, but Im not.

Im sorry the POTUS dissed the USPS, take it up with him.

You want to be glib about this? Fine thats your business.

[Lady's Human]

I'll be damned.......

A reasoned description of the legislative process and where the bill(s) currently stand in the process isn't factual?

Huh. Whodathunkit?

The President's demands that it be voted into law ASAP are probably what killed the bill as it currently stands.

Speaking of providing facts, since when are someone's tweets about a bill, largely opinion, facts?

[blue]

I'll be damned.......

A reasoned description of the legislative process and where the bill(s) currently stand in the process isn't factual?

Huh. Whodathunkit?

The President's demands that it be voted into law ASAP are probably what killed the bill as it currently stands.

Speaking of providing facts, since when are someone's tweets about a bill, largely opinion, facts?

Sweet Zombie Jesus!!

You havent provided any facts reguarding HR 3200. You think HR 3200 is a myth at best as far as I can tell.


What in Jebus's name are you talking about with...

tweets about a bill

WTF is a tweet?!

[Lady's Human]

Mea Culpa......


It's a blog post about the bill.......Far, far more informative than a bunch of tweets, which is what it appears to be.

Stating where HR 3200 stands in the legslative process isn't providing factual information?

I guess it all depends on what your definition of fact is............


BTW, my last response even mentioning the USPS is on the first page.....several posts ago.

Keep up with the thread, come on, man!

[blue]

It's a blog post about the bill.......Far, far more informative than a bunch of tweets, which is what it appears to be.

Until the MSM reports on this, Ill settle for a blog. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the MSM is fronting for the current addministration.

And WTF is a tweet?

Stating where HR 3200 stands in the legslative process isn't providing factual information?

I guess it all depends on what your definition of fact is............

You stated nothing about HR 3200.

BTW, my last response even mentioning the USPS is on the first page.....several posts ago.

Keep up with the thread, come on, man!

Allmost every post you have had in this thread is deffending the USPS.

ETA: Does anybody think our healthcare system should be subject to the same bureaucracy the USPS is subject to?

[Karen]

A "tweet" is s micro-blog post from Twitter, 140 characters or less.

[lizbud]

You stated nothing about HR 3200.




Allmost every post you have had in this thread is deffending the USPS.

ETA: Does anybody think our healthcare system should be subject to the same bureaucracy the USPS is subject to?

There is no provision in the PROPOSED bill that says you have to sign
up for HC. You can keep your same Doc & private provider if you prefer.

Didn't you ever take a Goverment course in high school?

[blue]

A "tweet" is s micro-blog post from Twitter, 140 characters or less.

Thank you, Ive never been to twitter. I can barely tolerate facebook.

There is no provision in the PROPOSED bill that says you have to sign
up for HC. You can keep your same Doc & private provider if you prefer.

Didn't you ever take a Goverment course in high school?

That was one class I got exceptionaly good grades in.

So now its actually a bill? I thought you said it wasnt? Oh wait you did.

What you have posted is not a House Bill.It doesn't even have a Bill #
attached. It's a bare bones skeleton of a proposed , but not yet submitted
for consideration.

When according to

H. R. 3200


To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 14, 2009

Mr. DINGELL (for himself, Mr. RANGEL, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, Mr. STARK, Mr. PALLONE, and Mr. ANDREWS) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce, and in addition to the Committees on Ways and Means, Education and Labor, Oversight and Government Reform, and the Budget, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

It is a bill, with a # attached to it, and introduced by representatives.


Under this PROPOSED BILL, I would be fined for not having a HI plan. And if you lose, or change your plan you have to take a .gov plan not a private plan, its in the bill.

If you had done well in a Government course in HS, you would know that all bills are PROPOSED untill they are voted on, they dont become LAW otherwise.



LH and Karen, if there is no HCR bill or act in the Congressional branch, why are the representatives having Town Hall Meeeting about HR 3200? Why did the POTUS have a THM about HR 3200? Why over the last couple of months has the POTUS pushing to have it voted on before the fall break? If there is no bill before the COTUS why is it in the MSM so much?

[lizbud]