This makes Me So Angry (Update post 53) by Finn's Mom

[shais_mom]

This is completely questionable, the puppy shouldn't even be WEANED yet, he's not even 8 weeks old. I don't believe a word of it.

??huh??
Keegan came home to ME at 6 weeks and she was weaned. I would have rather she stayed until she was 8 weeks but she didn't, it was either take her or I didn't get her at all. And almost 7 years later, I would not change a thing, even tho many days I wanted to tear my hair out.

[K9soul]

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0708/539313.html

[finn's mom]

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

That is disappointing. But considering the home that dog would have lived in, it may be a blessing in disguise. The whole situation is sad, sad, sad.

[lizbud]

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0708/539313.html

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.



Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

[shais_mom]

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.



Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

I may not have children but that Cindy Harriss is my hero.
I'm glad she said it b/c the fact that I don't have children would have made my point moot.

[caseysmom]

I think we have a CPS worker right here on PT and she agrees with all of us, right Shepgirl?

[Cataholic]

I don't think having a child, having a dog, not having either, or having one but not the other is that which sets one person's opinion apart- or more 'valid'- than someone elses.

Having said that, I can tell you that my infant WAS left out of my eyesight, that I DID nap after my son was born, that my cats were left alone with him (though I did have a crib tent (not that he spent much time in the crib)). Horrible things happen. Sometimes they happen without any justifiable reason in the world. Sometimes they happen despite a parent's best efforts. Sometimes they happen just because they happen. And, sometimes they happen because of neglect.

A precious child's life was taken, as well as a puppy's life. Both of those are innocent victims. To say that the grandmother or either of the young parents was or was not suitably upset for anyone's liking is just so unfair. We ALL react differently to stress. Some faint, some cry uncontrollably, some don't react at all, or, not immediately. I would be amazed if any of those 3 people walk away from this unscathed on a grave level.

Maybe they WERE all stoned out of their mind, or sleep deprived, or manic, or confused, scared, neglectful, or simply human beings doing the best that they could. Does that change the end result? To flame these people, or the authorities for what they are or are not doing is unhelpful, and focusing on the past.

Take from the situation something that might make you do something differently in the future: otherwise these two lives were in vain.

[Karen]

Having said that, I can tell you that my infant WAS left out of my eyesight, that I DID nap after my son was born, that my cats were left alone with him (though I did have a crib tent (not that he spent much time in the crib)).

But I am betting that if Jonah had screamed, you would have woken from your nap! Maybe not been happy about it, but ...

[shais_mom]

I don't think having a child, having a dog, not having either, or having one but not the other is that which sets one person's opinion apart- or more 'valid'- than someone elses.

thank you - I suppose I use my "i don't have kids excuse" as a vice but its been thrown in my face so much that I usually say it first anymore. Similiar to my best friend/cousin going thru her parents divorce when I tried to be understanding she said -"you don't know- you're parents are still together"
I had a patient say something to me a few months ago that I appreciated more than she could ever imagine. She had just been in a car accident with her teenage daughter. She didn't care about herself, she was trying to get her daughter out of the car. She said "do you have children?" I said my standard "no so I can only imagine how scary it would be and how hard you would try to get her out" she said "well it would be like wanting to get anyone you care about out of the car. Your parents, or sister or brother." No one before when they say - do you have kids and I say no - they blow off my opinion. She was the first person that ever took into account that I cared about other people and would want to keep them safe as well.

[lizbud]

Horrible things happen. Sometimes they happen without any justifiable reason in the world. Sometimes they happen despite a parent's best efforts. Sometimes they happen just because they happen. And, sometimes they happen because of neglect.

Tell me just what the heck this means,"Sometimes they happen just because they happen"? What kind of logic is that? Everything has a
reason. Unless the Almighty willed that baby be chewed to death ,which
I don't think happened, some human being inside that house did not do
their job. They were irresponsibile no matter how you look at it.

[finn's mom]

Here are a couple of updates on this case, for anyone interested...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...1_spancl167280

http://www.4029tv.com/news/17096103/detail.html

[shepgirl]

Thanks for posting the updates. That was more gruesome than I thought though.
Charges of neglect seem like a slap on the wrist when there's a 2 month old dead. Sounds like the whole family was dysfunctional.

[4 Dog Mother]

Like most of you I have trouble understanding how anyone could leave a baby unattended and unchecked for a period of 1 1/2 - 2 hours. Especially with pets in the house. If the males left the house, why didn't they put the baby in one of the women's rooms. Most baby swings are portable swings and easily moved- THEY ARE PORTABLE! From that recent report, I have to wonder if the grandfather did not put the child away from the women because they did not want to be disturbed by her cries.

I too have a lot of trouble imagining a puppy that young could actually do that much damage by himself to a baby. And from what was said, he must somehow have managed to tip the swing or get into the swing because otherwise he would not have been able to do all that they say he did. I also have to wonder why they had to put him down right away. He was a puppy -he didn't seem to be fighting the man who took him out of the house so he wasn't wildly aggressive.

Obviously there is more behind this story than we know. There was nothing said about an autopsy of the baby - I too wonder if the baby wasn't dead before the dog got to it. And how TWO women could sleep through a baby screaming as that baby had to have is just unbelievable.

To be honesty, I would never let a 6 week old puppy have run of the house. It is doubtful that he was fully house trained plus few puppys can be trusted not to chew on things or get into some kind of trouble.

I hope the true story comes out but I highly doubt that it will. The puppy will take the fall.

[lizbud]

Well, at least the mom has been arrested & charged with neglect. That's
a start.

[shais_mom]

yes the mom was arrested and charged with neglect but the grandma lived there too and was sleeping as well. Are they doing drug tests on HER?
if not they should be and she should be sitting in jail right beside her daughter!