Continuation of free kittens in Butler

[Emeraldgreen]

Rebecca, if your vet is referring to the expiry date of the dog Revolution as being dangerous, that is one thing. If he is referring to the ingredient in the dog Revolution that is for heartworms then that is another thing. But if he is saying that treating a cat with dog flea Revolution or Advantage is dangerous just because it is for dogs, it is not true. Obviously, if you squirted a whole tube of the dog revolution on one of your cats, that would be dangerous but this is not what I am suggesting or what Krazyaboutkatz said she does with her dog Advantage for her cats. It is measured out into proper doses that are a very small percentage of the tube. It is done all the time and it is safe. It sounds to me like he either misunderstood and thought you were going to put a whole tube on each cat which of course would be an overdose or he has concerns about the outdated stuff I have or the heartworm ingredient.
Perhaps you could ask him if it is the date or the heartworm part that he is referring to. If so, then I'll toss them out. But if it's just that he misunderstood and thought you wanted to put whole tubes of it on the cats, then you could explain to him that you were going to get help premeasuring the doses out before treating them. I could do the premeasuring for you and draw them up into the syringes and send them to you that way so you wouldn't have to measure them. I would just need to pick up some caps to put on the ends of the syringes so the revolution doesn't spill out. I think pharmacies might sell them.
Worst case scenerio is that you'd have to buy ONE box of dog Advantage (just regular Advantage, not Advantage Multi-which has heartworm meds in it). Krazyaboutkatz has posted the dosage that she gives her cats and her cats are all doing fine and from the sounds of it are 'flea free'. One tube (you get 6 tubes in a box) has 4 mls each. Depending on the weight of your cats, each cat would need roughly half of one ml each. That means one tube could treat 8 cats. One box could treat 8 cats for 6 months. The cost of the box is I think about 70.00 or something but that would be enough to treat them ALL for 6 months. I can mail you the syringes you'd need that are still in their packaging that you would need to draw the Advantage out of the tubes.
And, maybe your vet or other vets in the phonebook might sell Advantage by the tube. Advantage does not require a prescription (the regular kind) so you can buy it at any vet. If you can find a vet that sells it by the tube, then you could just buy one large dog tube size (it is the one that comes in the Navy blue coloured box) and it would probably cost you around 15.00-20.00 and you could treat all your cats for this month. Next month, same thing etc.. This is done all the time, I know of many shelters that do this, it's safe as long as you are dosing the cats correctly.
I have already mailed off the Drontal so you should receive it by the end of next week. I will PM you a dosing chart. There is more than enough tablets in there (14 in total) to treat all your cats twice. You should wait until the ferals are either fixed or finished weaning kittens before dosing them though.
I'm also sending you the can of flea spray that is for the house (NOT pets) and along with vacuuming as mentioned in my earlier post, will help tremendously. Worst case, you might have to go and buy one more can and it will cost around 22.00. The two cans together will cover 2,000 square feet.

I'm so glad the cats are home and safely tucked into your bedroom. The main thing to watch for is that the incision doesn't open. If you see that, you should take them back to get them 'stapled' before the incisions open up any further. This usually doesn't cost anything. You just want to avoid the incision opening to the point that staples won't help and surgery has to be done all over again. It's expensive because they charge you for the anesthesia and vet's time etc.. So, it's awesome that you guys have them in a quiet place and that hubby doesn't mind his new roomies.
Also, they often send the female cats home with the head cones to keep them from being able to lick themselves. Alot of clinics usually will 'lend' a collar if an owner can't afford one. If you do have to buy one, they are under 10.00 each.

As far as the ferals go next month, I'm wondering if MoonandBean's donation had been received yet by the vet hospital. You mentioned that 355.00 had been received but wasn't the total already over 300.00 with Kuhio's, Moesha and my donations? Hopefully that is the case because that would mean another 100.00 should be available to go towards the feral spays.

[MoonandBean]

yah...The charge has already appeared on my credit card statement so make sure they're including it.

[krazyaboutkatz]

I just wanted to add that the vet that I used to take my cats to was the one that suggested that I buy the large dog advantage because the ingredients are the same as the cat advantage. He did this to help save me money. I only had 4 cats back then. Since I live in CA, I have to treat my cats year round and so far so good. You can also probably get free syringes from your vet or any other vet office when you buy the advantage from them. The numbers will eventually wear off of the syringes so I use either masking tape or surgical tape to mark off the right amount that is needed. I also have an empty plastic test tube with a lid that I squeeze the advantage into so then I can measure it out and save whatever is left over for next time. Good luck.

[Moesha]

I have a friend whose pack of critters got fleas last summer. She has 5 dogs and 4 cats. The dogs were given their own dosages of Advantage, but he gave her the large size dog dosages with the instructions for breaking them up for each of the cats.

[MoonandBean]

I received this response from Advantage. I will certainly call! If anyone else wants to call; it might be the more the better...




Thank you for your recent email regarding the Advantage.

In order to best address your concerns, please contact Bayer Product Information at 800/255-6826 and ask for Jill or Annette. We will be happy to answer all your questions at that time.

We look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,

Bayer HealthCare

[Emeraldgreen]

I received a PM from Rebecca yesterday and she is reporting that the spayed and neutered cats all seem happy and healthy! She is so grateful to everyone here on PT who has offered support through their posts and with donations.
She is also so thankful that the Suburban Animal Clinic was there for her and able to work with her despite her difficult financial situation. They've really gone the extra mile for her and it is awesome!! She is really looking forward to continuing to work with them next month to get the remaining 3 cats fixed.

As far as the donations go, I confused things, sorry about that. The total of donations received by Suburban Animal Clinic thus far is indeed 355.00 and includes the donations sent by Kuhio, Moesha, myself and MoonandBean. Rebecca will find out how much of this amount is left over that will go towards the feral spays in May. We'll post a 'financial' update once she has that total from the clinic. And hopefully some pics of the recovering patients too!!.

Rebecca is going to use the Drontal that was mailed to her but is passing on the Siphotrol Spray because she doesn't think she will be able to get all the animals and all the kids out of the house at one time for a few hours. She is going to continue vacuuming alot and is looking into ways to get the cats treated for fleas.
She is going to follow her vet's advice and pass on the dog flea treatment option because they have really helped her and she doesn't want to go against his suggestions. But she is going to try and either treat them with feline Advantage or look into other alternatives (especially for the ferals as she won't be able to catch them each month to apply a topical treatment anyway). Does anyone know if there is a product that a person can put in a pet's food that helps tackle fleas? I think I've heard something about garlic. Have to look into it.

MoonandBean, thanks for posting that phone number for Bayer about Advantage. I will call them too! You never know!

p.s. Rebecca, a friend of mine gave me two single Advantage tubes for cats (not dogs) and I will send them to you tomorrow. It's not much but it will treat two cats for one month.

[Moesha]

Did that $355 amount include the original amount that Rebecca said she could put toward the surgeries in April?

[krazyaboutkatz]

For the ferals she could buy program flea control for cats. It's a liquid that you have to give with food. Some vets don't carry this though. Here's a link that tells more about it: Program Flea Control For Cats.

I remember that used both program and advantage when I first adopted Storm and my RB Pepper because they both had fleas. If it's a lot less than the advantage then she could also use this after she used the advantage to help keep the fleas under control.

[carole]

I know a few people have used the dog advantage on here without any problems, but my vet also was strongly opposed to it, i think you should stick with the cat stuff, you would feel terrible if it all went wrong, i was looking into a new product advertised at the pet store, took it to my vet, who said forget, it really bad stuff, and one cat has died from it, it is called bodyguard plus and claims to rid them of fleas for three months, so please choose carefully.

I have used advantage on all my cats with no problems, their is also advantage plus which does the worms i believe, i am looking at that for my ash, as he is really hard to pill even with a piller contraption we bought.

I am so happy to hear that you are getting these kitties seen to, you are an angel, shame on that vet scolding you, little do they know what you are doing for these animals,we need so many people like you in this world.

I hope you get some sort of response from bayer and they can help, only thing is fleas is an ongoing problem, every season, so it is not just a short fix is it,? the cost will always be ongoing.

I wish you all the best of luck in the world and may your furbabies heal nicely and continue to do well.

[Emeraldgreen]

For the ferals she could buy program flea control for cats. It's a liquid that you have to give with food. Some vets don't carry this though. Here's a link that tells more about it: Program Flea Control For Cats.

I remember that used both program and advantage when I first adopted Storm and my RB Pepper because they both had fleas. If it's a lot less than the advantage then she could also use this after she used the advantage to help keep the fleas under control.

That's right! I completely forgot about Program! I know that it deals with the larvae and egg stage of the flea life cycle and works well in conjunction with Advantage that kills the adult fleas. I wonder if Program would work alone though for a feral cat with fleas. Eventually, all the adult fleas would die of old age (lol!) and then eventually the Program would keep the eggs and larvae from becoming fleas. I think!

Moesha: Did that $355 amount include the original amount that Rebecca said she could put toward the surgeries in April?

Yes, the grand total of all funds received by the clinic was 355.00 and includes all the donations. I don't know how much of it was used for the 3 surgeries and how much is left but Rebecca is going to find out from the clinic.

[rebeccahowes]

For the ferals she could buy program flea control for cats. It's a liquid that you have to give with food. Some vets don't carry this though. Here's a link that tells more about it: Program Flea Control For Cats.

I remember that used both program and advantage when I first adopted Storm and my RB Pepper because they both had fleas. If it's a lot less than the advantage then she could also use this after she used the advantage to help keep the fleas under control.

That sounds awesome. I will definitely look into it. I was hoping that there is something out there in cypber space that knows about flea control in the cat food. I definitely feel that I can handle it, although, it will be hard to trap each cat one at a time. It is doable though. I will let you know what I find out and what I do to handle this situation.

[Emeraldgreen]

That sounds awesome. I will definitely look into it. I was hoping that there is something out there in cypber space that knows about flea control in the cat food. I definitely feel that I can handle it, although, it will be hard to trap each cat one at a time. It is doable though. I will let you know what I find out and what I do to handle this situation.

I think Program is only sold through the vet clinics and maybe online but as far as I know, it's not in pet stores. I think the cost of a box of 6 treatments is around 35.00. There are two choices available, one for cats under 8.8 pounds and one for cats over 8.8 pounds.

[Catlady711]

That sounds awesome. I will definitely look into it. I was hoping that there is something out there in cypber space that knows about flea control in the cat food. I definitely feel that I can handle it, although, it will be hard to trap each cat one at a time. It is doable though. I will let you know what I find out and what I do to handle this situation.

Just a warning Program is more suited to INDOOR cats. Fleas have to actually BITE the animal to get the flea medication in Program. The egg/larva inhibitor will only affect the ones layed by that flea. In an outdoor environment this will do little to combat a large flea population.

http://www.program.novartis.us/cat/e...spension.shtml

Fleas can be a problem because they reproduce so rapidly. A single female flea may produce up to 2,000 eggs over her lifetime. Eggs hatch and can develop into adults within only three weeks. Adult female fleas feed by ingesting blood from your cat and subsequently lay eggs which drop off your cat's coat. Within days, larvae hatch from the eggs and live undetected in your cat's surroundings such as the carpet, bedding, and other protected areas. Flea larvae spin a cocoon, and when appropriately stimulated, a young adult flea emerges and jumps onto your cat to continue the life cycle. After biting a PROGRAM-treated cat, the female flea ingests lufenuron which is deposited in her eggs. Lufenuron prevents these eggs from hatching or developing into mature adults. This safe and convenient approach to flea control effectively breaks the flea's life cycle and controls flea populations.

[rebeccahowes]

Hi everyone, I just got the fourth cat into the vets today to be spayed. She was pregnant too. I take the fifth cat in tomorrow, but the only problem is that she has been gone for two days and I don't know if she will make it back by tomorrow. I sure hope so. The sixth cat is scheduled for next month after she weans her kittens. The kittens are getting back. The feral cat I took in today was easy to take. She is the only one that will let me pick her up for a couple seconds. I picked her up and put her right into the cage. I am hoping she is not too far along or they will not spay her right now. I will keep you posted.

[MoonandBean]

awww; wish her a quick recovery from me, Moonie and Beaner.