Mom & Toddler Booted Off Plane

[finn's mom]

Again, my mom had six kids, some of us were little AH's, But she never 'lost' control of us in public- that was not acceptable. We sat, we waited and we were not obnoxious.

At work, I've noticed that when there's more than one child, the children individually and collectively, seem better behaved. (Not always, but often.) Perhaps it comes with practice? Was your mother super mom from baby number one? I commend your mother, and anyone for that matter, for being able to superbly handle six children, or even one child. I am curious, though, if she was always that able, or if the old adage "practice makes perfect" fits in her situation.

[Sirrahsim]

I flew Continental Express... they have these little clear backpacks with activities and toys for kids. Some of the toys aren't appropriate for a two year old but many of them are. Maybe she didn't feel like actually trying to rectify the situation ??? That flight attendant should be fired for sure. *11* hours?? in an airport?? Even the best behaved child in the world would be bouncing off the walls. The fact that he was saying "bye bye plane" and not screaming his head off is a miracle on its own.

OH... maybe it is the leftover pregnancy hormones but this really gets me. I hope that sad excuse for a flight attendant was fired

[Miss Z]

Eesh, what is some people's problem with the world? It amazes me that people that grouchy actually manage to pass job interviews in the first place.

Yes, some parents are too lenient with their kids and seem to become oblivious to their hyperactivity, but really, if the news report is accurate in what the attendant said to the mother, then she needs the book thrown at her. Manners and curteousy could have resolved the situation in a few minutes.

[lizbud]

Did anybody check out the video interview with the mom? She looks &
sounds like a very levelheaded young woman to me. I tend to believe her
and from the article, a lot of other passengers sided with her too.

It's hard enough traveling with a toddler by yourself & I don't think the
little guy was bothering anyone but the stewardess. Why didn't she go
serve peanuts or fluff pillows or something. LOL

[RICHARD]

As for the veracity of the media, "Dewey Defeats Truman".

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For the record,

My mom and dad raised us Catholic. that means-

We went to Catholic School.
They gave permission for our teachers to beat us.
We were taught, after mom instilled it into us to -
sit still, don't be obnoxious, behave, shut up and be polite.


Finn's Mom-
As for my mom losing control?
She only had to endure it once.- because she waited until we were out of the public eye and she put the hammer down.

After that, the hairy eyeball sufficed nicely.

My parents parented, They didn't put up with BS, little temp tantrums and the adage of all parents these days- "I want my kids to have what I didn't have."

They were from the school of "You are going to get what you work for -money, respect and courtesy-nothing is free."



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Now,

Let's review.

NO PARENT, KICKED OFF A PLANE BECAUSE OF THEIR KID, will admit that their kid was misbehaving. That AH will make everyone around them the bad guy.

What is wrong with these statements?

"I was removed from the flight because my child was unruly."

"The F.A. offered me benadryl, That's because I couldn't give the brat a shot of tequila."

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I am all for courtesy in public.

IT works both ways. I wasn't there so I do not know what was said or done.
I do know that parents will defend their spawn in every situation because the kids behavior REFLECTS ON THEIR ABILITY AS A PARENT. It also reflects on them if THEY CANNOT CONTROL THEIR KIDS IN PUBLIC.

It only makes sense that the kid did no wrong and the Biatch, Rude, AH F.A.
should be pilloried, drawn, quartered, sued and then fired.

Most of the time Cashiers, F.A.s. Managers, Servers and Security people take the brunt of the public scorn.

When YOU have a problem with some jerk, you go to one of them to 'fix' the problem. You then sit back and watch them take the shiat of the offender?

Because it's THEIR JOB.

If someone complained to the F.A. because mom couldn't keep Damian Jr. quiet, The. F.A. becomes the bad guy.

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The F.A. was effed either way.

Had she left the ankle biter alone and "bubbling" for the duration of the flight, there would have been complaints from everyone around them.


She would have been reprimanded for not doing her job. Let her keep her job. The next time you fly you may not have the spine to tell someone to STFU.

Send her instead.

[lizbud]

As for the veracity of the media, "Dewey Defeats Truman".

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For the record,

My mom and dad raised us Catholic. that means-

We went to Catholic School.
They gave permission for our teachers to beat us.
We were taught, after mom instilled it into us to -
sit still, don't be obnoxious, behave, shut up and be polite.

Richard, I'll bet some people won't believe your experience in Catholic
school, but I do. Teachers were allowed to discipline students, and they
did. It was learn or else.

[Pam]

The woman and the toddler were on Good Morning America this morning. The little boy was a typical antsy toddler even on the show. Unfortunately the behavior of children not quite two years old is extremely unpredictable. It is almost impossible to reason with them when they are that little. There were enough other passengers backing up the mother's story for me and others to get an idea of just what went on. Apparently the stewardess realized the scene she was making and just went full speed ahead. I guess sort of a *do or die* approach. I hope she has been fired.

[RICHARD]

Richard, I'll bet some people won't believe your experience in Catholic
school, but I do. Teachers were allowed to discipline students, and they
did. It was learn or else.

I don't want to believe that I lived thru it. It wasn't very harsh because if you had half a brain, you learned the first time.
One time my friend and another kid tussled over a ball during recess.
The kid bit my friend.

The punishment was this....The nun/teacher put her left hand on the kid's left arm, took the pointer, which was a wooden rod about 3/8ths of a inch thick, in her right hand and proceeded to hit the kid on the back of the thighs. In front of the whole class.

They did about 3 spins and it was over.
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We had Phys Ed once a week. They brought in some turd to lead 200 kids in the basics- jumping jacks, push ups etc.

I was standing next to someone who was talking. The P.E. turd stopped the class, looked at me and asked, "who is talking?" I answered, "not me."

"Well, now you are, go to your classroom."

Amidst the "oooohs" I marched back to class where I had to take a ruler across the palms of my hand.

In those days some of the punishment was worse than the crime....but you thought once about screwing around and forgot it.

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I know that I sound like a anti-kid person, not true. I love kids and my nieces and nephews and friend's kids would rather spend time with me than the adults.

I do believe in corporal punishment, always tempered with an explanation and a well communicated reason as to why.

As I have grown older I do know that it does hurt a parent more than the kid when they get smacked, but I would rather see a kid take a few in the arse for walking into the street than to see a kid as a hood ornament of a Buick!

[lizbud]

One other thing was when the word got back to your parents about what
ever misdeed was done at school also brought punishment at home too. Double doom.

[moosmom]

I can't even BEGIN to imagine 11 hours on a plane with a 2 year old!!

Kill me now!!!

[columbine]

In those days some of the punishment was worse than the crime....but you thought once about screwing around and forgot it.

We certainly learned to steer clear of the kids from St. Pat's, because they understood that MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, and if you were smaller, you were fair game. Maybe they went on to do well on Wall Street, or in Pfizer. That's where and when we live nowadays, after all. I guess the lessons stuck.

Love, Columbine

[crow_noir]

Just decided to add my two cents.

Anyone who knows me knows i like children about as much as most people like tarantulas.

Despite that i want to slap that stewardess until her face turns blue.

That mom and her kid did not deserve to be kicked off the plane.

Yeah, i would have been annoyed with the kid, very annoyed; but if you're getting on a plane you have to expect the worst. It's a commercial airline for crying out loud.

And yes, i agree... for being delayed for 11 hours it sounds like the kid was well behaved.

[RICHARD]

We certainly learned to steer clear of the kids from St. Pat's, because they understood that MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, and if you were smaller, you were fair game.

Catholics have crotches too. A well aimed kick or punch works on any religion.

[columbine]

Catholics have crotches too. A well aimed kick or punch works on any religion.

Oh, sure! But (despite being Catholic) we weren't sent to the Catholic school, so we just went with our upbringing: fighting breeds fighting, avoid when possible, run & tell teacher, maintain the high ground - all that out-of-date stuff that sounds like it's from outer space these days. It's served me well emotionally, but I will admit to being rather - erm - financially challenged! However, people GIVE me stuff all the time, so it's worked out pretty well for me.

(You can give me stuff too if you want! But it would be majorly cool if you'd give my neighbors stuff instead.)

Love, Columbine

[RICHARD]

Geraldo had the mom, dad and the spawn on his show.

The interview starts.

Child is eating jelly beans on mom's lap.

G asks the mom some question, then asks the dad, "what did you think when your wife told you what happened?"

Dad: "What did you do now?"

Hmmmmmmm....

Jelly beans run out.

Kid starts to squirm. Mom passes kid off to dad, who is holding a book in his hand, probably to calm the kid down.

Geraldo is laughing at the kid's antics and asks the cameraman to get shots of the 'spawn' in action.

The last shot I saw was of the dad still sitting down in his chair, holding on to the monster's arm, to keep him from running off.