I can't say I'm Sorry

[Cubby'sMom]

I am pretty shocked by this and other responses here in this thread. These are the sorts of things I would expect to hear from ALF, PETA, or other domestic terrorists.

These are human beings. Seeing this one path they have chosen in their lives and wishing ill on them while 100 or so terrified families wait and worry for them... I am sorry, maybe it makes me a bad animal lover, but I just can't wish that level of hardship and pain on hundreds of strangers who I only know one thing about in the vain hope of preventing a cull.


Yes, it is an ugly, horrifying bloodbath, but I don't think it can be so easily dismissed as totally un-needed or only based on fabricated problems. It can be hard to be objective about culling, but it is not always the worst thing that could happen to an animal.

Do people who legally kill an animal (possible in the best interest of the animals around it) deserve to die slowly and miserably while we sit in our comfy homes and giggle? I personally can't say yes and feel good about myself.

I agree with you 100% on this, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

I am pretty shocked by this and other responses here in this thread. These are the sorts of things I would expect to hear from ALF, PETA, or other domestic terrorists.

These are human beings. Seeing this one path they have chosen in their lives and wishing ill on them while 100 or so terrified families wait and worry for them... I am sorry, maybe it makes me a bad animal lover, but I just can't wish that level of hardship and pain on hundreds of strangers who I only know one thing about in the vain hope of preventing a cull.


Yes, it is an ugly, horrifying bloodbath, but I don't think it can be so easily dismissed as totally un-needed or only based on fabricated problems. It can be hard to be objective about culling, but it is not always the worst thing that could happen to an animal.

Do people who legally kill an animal (possible in the best interest of the animals around it) deserve to die slowly and miserably while we sit in our comfy homes and giggle? I personally can't say yes and feel good about myself.

Hmm - I have to admit that my initial response was a knee-jerk reaction. As much as I abhor the seal cull I certainly do not want anyone to lose their lives - they are husbands, fathers, sons and brothers too

[wombat2u2004]

Canada insists that the cull, which is smaller than last year's, is necessary to keep seal numbers down.


I think if it is an active culling based on population and feeding availability by the numbers, lowering disease and starvation for the others, then they are doing the seals a service. Much like annual deer hunting, alligator culls, moose hunting etc.

Hope they are rescued soon and no one is seriously injured.

Hmmmmmmm.....so who culled these animals before humans came along ???
I'll go with Lizbud on this one, because I believe that the whole process is based on obtaining skins for foreign consumer use.....and that has got to be worth lot's of bucks to the country involved.
I hope to, that no-one is hurt....but if some are....they only have themselves to blame.
Wom

[mike001]

I can't say that I feel sorry for them. I've watched videos of the clubbings and it's sickening, no reason for this at all except the $$$$$$$$$. anyone that can look into those big pleading eyes and club the baby to death deserves to have something like this happen to wake them up.

[DrKym]

Hmmmmmmm.....so who culled these animals before humans came along ???
I'll go with Lizbud on this one, because I believe that the whole process is based on obtaining skins for foreign consumer use.....and that has got to be worth lot's of bucks to the country involved.
I hope to, that no-one is hurt....but if some are....they only have themselves to blame.
Wom

I am going to say the culling would not be necessary except for the fact that we enjoy their natural food supply as much as they do. Due to our desires and overfishing their isn't enough to feed our greed and to feed them. By culling them it lessens a slow death from starvation while we feast on what is rightfully theirs.

[wombat2u2004]

I am going to say the culling would not be necessary except for the fact that we enjoy their natural food supply as much as they do. Due to our desires and overfishing their isn't enough to feed our greed and to feed them. By culling them it lessens a slow death from starvation while we feast on what is rightfully theirs.

Ahhhhhhh....ok Doc. While countries battle on with wheat wars, and the unsold surplus get dumped in the ocean.....you're going to tell me you prefer to eat fish.....yeah ??? And not twenty miles from where I live, they had a potato glut on last year....entire fields of potatoes were left to rot in the sun because nobody wanted them. Hmmmmm......so the masses would prefer to have a choice in a restaurant and forget about the slaughter....
Wom

[DrKym]

Ahhhhhhh....ok Doc. While countries battle on with wheat wars, and the unsold surplus get dumped in the ocean.....you're going to tell me you prefer to eat fish.....yeah ??? And not twenty miles from where I live, they had a potato glut on last year....entire fields of potatoes were left to rot in the sun because nobody wanted them. Hmmmmm......so the masses would prefer to have a choice in a restaurant and forget about the slaughter....
Wom

That would be pretty much it Wom, I didn't say I like the idea, just that we created the issue, along with many others.

[pitc9]

Canada insists that the cull, which is smaller than last year's, is necessary to keep seal numbers down.


I think if it is an active culling based on population and feeding availability by the numbers, lowering disease and starvation for the others, then they are doing the seals a service. Much like annual deer hunting, alligator culls, moose hunting etc.

Hope they are rescued soon and no one is seriously injured.

I might be able to go along with that.
Here in Ohio the deer population is so out of control that they are slowly and painfully starving to death and the disease is out of control and has been more and more deformation found in young deer. They have started to thin the herd in a humane way. They have extended hunting seasons and have allowed hunters to "take" a larger number of deer each season.

BUT

It's the way that the seals are killing is what is so disgusting!
Aren't they are CLUBBED to death?!
Last time I checked we no longer are Cave men and women!

[lizbud]

Found this comment on another forum to rebut the "seals are eating all
the fish" argument. Consider this:


Yes, the fish stocks have depleted, but that's not the fault of the seals.

In fact, the seals, when not able to access enough fish, will switch to eating small squid, etc., which also eat the fish.

In essence, if you leave the seals alone and switch to different fishing lanes for a couple of years, the seal will sort out your problem for you.

Instead, the fishers stick to the same fishing lanes, fish them out, blame the seals, kill the seals, then wonder why the fish stocks are still too low.

[wombat2u2004]

Found this comment on another forum to rebut the "seals are eating all
the fish" argument. Consider this:


Yes, the fish stocks have depleted, but that's not the fault of the seals.

In fact, the seals, when not able to access enough fish, will switch to eating small squid, etc., which also eat the fish.

In essence, if you leave the seals alone and switch to different fishing lanes for a couple of years, the seal will sort out your problem for you.

Instead, the fishers stick to the same fishing lanes, fish them out, blame the seals, kill the seals, then wonder why the fish stocks are still too low.

Yes....that is VERY true.
I was reading an article not too long ago about overfishing.....and I haven't heard of one single fisherman who has been bashed to death with an icepick.
Maybe a few fishing companies can be culled out of existence. Especially those who go for a particular form of sealife, take what they want, and throw the rest of the dead fish back into the water.
Wom

[Sophist]

Found this comment on another forum to rebut the "seals are eating all
the fish" argument. Consider this:


Yes, the fish stocks have depleted, but that's not the fault of the seals.

In fact, the seals, when not able to access enough fish, will switch to eating small squid, etc., which also eat the fish.

In essence, if you leave the seals alone and switch to different fishing lanes for a couple of years, the seal will sort out your problem for you.

Instead, the fishers stick to the same fishing lanes, fish them out, blame the seals, kill the seals, then wonder why the fish stocks are still too low.

Yes, the Dr., when she brought that up, did mention it was because WE were competing with the seals for food. If you read any of the links given, you'll see that even most staunch supporters of the hunt reject the idea that the cull is being done to protect the cod population.


And pitc9--- it's not exactly clubbing, generally speaking. It is usually large-calibar rifles and hakapiks (more like a pick-axe) that when used 'correctly' meet the guidelines for a 'humane' method of killing. In fact, a firm, well-placed blow from a hakapik should produce results pretty much comparable to the bullets fired from ships.

[lizbud]

And pitc9--- it's not exactly clubbing, generally speaking. It is usually large-calibar rifles and hakapiks (more like a pick-axe) that when used 'correctly' meet the guidelines for a 'humane' method of killing. In fact, a firm, well-placed blow from a hakapik should produce results pretty much comparable to the bullets fired from ships.

A distinction without a difference. I doubt the the baby seal cares which
object is used to bash it's head in.

[wombat2u2004]

I might be able to go along with that.
Here in Ohio the deer population is so out of control that they are slowly and painfully starving to death and the disease is out of control and has been more and more deformation found in young deer. They have started to thin the herd in a humane way. They have extended hunting seasons and have allowed hunters to "take" a larger number of deer each season.

BUT

It's the way that the seals are killing is what is so disgusting!
Aren't they are CLUBBED to death?!
Last time I checked we no longer are Cave men and women!

And that is exactly the point Pitc9....the difference between humane and inhumane killing.
Wom

[angelbow20]

I dont know if this has anything to do with seal hunting, but about a week ago on tv I was watching something on seals and one reason people hunt them is the same reason they are aloud to hunt deer and wild turkey, Over population... Do I like to see any animal die? No of course not but if certain animals werent hunted they would end up dying on their own by starving and same goes for the other animals who live on the same food and certain fish they eat could become endangered or even gone forever. I dont know about you but I know I wouldnt want to starve to death I think that would be very painful. I dont think its fair for any animal to die but I dont hate the people who do it, I feel in a way they are helping them even though that sounds crazy.